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Garou Speed Downgrade

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This calculation assumes that the combined attack was as fast as a high pressure water jet when it's actually a water jet being used to propel mass.

Is it probably as fast as one anyway? Yes. Let's be honest here, it should realistically be way faster than any bullet given the level of characters we're talking about. But, for calculation purposes only, I don't think it's useable due to the lack of hard evidence.

Plus, it's not even shown that Showerhead can do stuff like cut through concrete or anything. All he does is blast Garou with hot water, claim to be capable of changing the properties of water, and fire a jet of water (which can be as meaningless as a fountain) with some vague level of maximum pressure that he didn't even use against Garou. So assuming it's this fast or powerful is a really, really big stretch if his Disaster level wasn't known.

Though, maybe we could calculate the level of speed needed for the water to move in a straight line against gravity?

On a final note, 'barely moving' doesn't necessarily mean snail speed. Relative to human terms, I'd say even the lowest result in the calculation (3 cm/s) would be more than reasonable.
 
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ByAsura said:
This calculation assumes that the combined attack was as fast as a high pressure water jet when it's actually a water jet being used to propel mass.

Is it probably as fast as one anyway? Yes. Let's be honest here, it should realistically be way faster than any bullet given the level of characters we're talking about. But, for calculation purposes only, I don't think it's useable due to the lack of hard evidence.
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Huh... Yeah, I have to admit you're right here. From a calcing perspective, that assumption shouldn't be used.

ByAsura said:
Plus, it's not even shown that Showerhead can do stuff like cut through concrete or anything. All he does is blast Garou with hot water, claim to be capable of changing the properties of water, and fire a jet of water (which can be as meaningless as a fountain) with some vague level of maximum pressure that he didn't even use against Garou. So assuming it's this fast or powerful is a really, really big stretch if his Disaster level wasn't known.
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Also true.


What do you propose Garou's ratings be changed to instead?

And do you have a list of characters who would be affected by this change?
 
ByAsura said:
This calculation assumes that the combined attack was as fast as a high pressure water jet when it's actually a water jet being used to propel mass.

Is it probably as fast as one anyway? Yes. Let's be honest here, it should realistically be way faster than any bullet given the level of characters we're talking about. But, for calculation purposes only, I don't think it's useable due to the lack of hard evidence.

Plus, it's not even shown that Showerhead can do stuff like cut through concrete or anything. All he does is blast Garou with hot water, claim to be capable of changing the properties of water, and fire a jet of water (which can be as meaningless as a fountain) with some vague level of maximum pressure that he didn't even use against Garou. So assuming it's this fast or powerful is a really, really big stretch if his Disaster level wasn't known.

Though, maybe we could calculate the level of speed needed for the water to move in a straight line against gravity?

On a final note, 'barely moving' doesn't necessarily mean snail speed. Relative to human terms, I'd say even the lowest result in the calculation (3 cm/s) would be more than reasonable.
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I don't think it makes much sense to use that calc on the profile if the value Human Garou scales to is higher than that

On that note Human Garou has a MHS calc for deflecting Death Gatling's Death Shower which is accepted
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Hero Hunter Garou's Speed

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This calculation is still on the profile? Was pretty sure it got discarded or debunked a long time ago... weird.
Agree FRA
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Shower head should scale above actual showers tbh
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How fast even is the water propelled by a shower.
Damage3245 said:
What do you propose Garou's ratings be changed to instead?

And do you have a list of characters who would be affected by this change?
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Idk.

I'll compile the list later.
Recon1511 said:
I don't think it makes much sense to use that calc on the profile if the value Human Garou scales to is higher than that
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That's totally irrelevant. Higher characters do have feats lower than weaker versions of themselves.
 
ByAsura said:
That's totally irrelevant. Higher characters do have feats lower than weaker versions of themselves.
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Yes, I know. But I don't understand why is the calc linked on his profile if the speed he scales to is much superior, it should be linked as an image instead.
 
Recon1511 said:
I don't think it makes much sense to use that calc on the profile if the value Human Garou scales to is higher than that

On that note Human Garou has a MHS calc for deflecting Death Gatling's Death Shower which is accepted
vsbattles.fandom.com

Hero Hunter Garou's Speed

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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Left a comment on that. I don't think the assumptions used for it are right.
 
On another note, there's a weird amount of circular (especially when it comes to Sonic, Garou and Genos) and blatantly illogical scaling.

TTM and Pig God are MHS, but the Genos they scale to is MHS+.

And pretty much everyone scales to MHS+ because Genos is faster than Fubuki, who scales to Do-S, who scales to Bushdrill, who scales to Iaian, who scales to Evil Natural Water, Atomic Samurai, Black Sperm, etc.

I shouldn't have to point out the contradictions here. But I'll regulate it to another thread.
Recon1511 said:
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Hero Hunter Garou's Speed

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KLOL accepted it, so I guess it should be fine.
Recon1511 said:
Yes, I know. But I don't understand why is the calc linked on his profile if the speed he scales to is much superior, it should be linked as an image instead.
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Oh, I thought you meant something else.
 
ByAsura said:
KLOL accepted it, so I guess it should be fine.
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It was fine. But another calc group member has issues with it now.

ByAsura said:
On another note, there's a weird amount of circular and blatantly illogical scaling.

TTM and Pig God are MHS, but the Genos they scale to is MHS+.

And pretty much everyone scales to MHS+ because Genos is faster than Fubuki, who scales to Do-S, who scales to Bushdrill, who scales to Iaian, who scales to Evil Natural Water, Atomic Samurai, Black Sperm, etc.

I shouldn't have to point out the contradictions here. But I'll regulate it to another thread.
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Yeesh, I didn't realize the speed scaling was that bad.
 
Recon1511 said:
Doubt OP is gonna respond, he hasn't been active for a long while. Might be best if someone recalcs the feat.
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Using a more suitable .295 m as the distance of Garou’s arm is moved you get 28,640 m/s or Mach 83.5 for the calc
 
I'll leave this open for some time before I make the sequel to this thread removing all the shoddy scaling.
 
ByAsura said:
On another note, there's a weird amount of circular (especially when it comes to Sonic, Garou and Genos) and blatantly illogical scaling.

TTM and Pig God are MHS, but the Genos they scale to is MHS+.
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I'm of the opinion that Gums shouldn't scale to Genos MHS+ since it was clearly a surprise attack which removes a lot of the issues. Gums should probably just scale to TTM who is somewhat comparable to Human Garou who should also get downgraded to any calculable speed feat he has.
 
I was planning to apply it after part 2 was done.

I might as well just leave this open in that case, though.
 
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