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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Emirp sumitpo said:
No. Platonic Concepts being 1-A was debunked and thrown out the window a while back
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i feel like that thread was very rushed and no one really debunked anything
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A possible downgrade of 1-A Platonic concepts (Staff only)

I was just looking after a forum discussion about plutonic concepts transcending reality and all possible existing concepts, but frankly, that sounds kinda like an illogical impossibility. For something to be beyond reality, it would have to be both beyond all created concepts within a verse, so...
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Hellsing said:
i feel like that thread was very rushed and no one really debunked anything
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A possible downgrade of 1-A Platonic concepts (Staff only)

I was just looking after a forum discussion about plutonic concepts transcending reality and all possible existing concepts, but frankly, that sounds kinda like an illogical impossibility. For something to be beyond reality, it would have to be both beyond all created concepts within a verse, so...
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The thread wasn't rushed, it was postponed because of the forum move

Alexander said:
The reason was?
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I forgot, I'm not the most knowledgeable on tier 1, all I know is that platonic concepts isn't enough for 1-A anymore
 
I read somewhere that platonics are beyond the concept of time and space, don't know why they decided to remove it
Also, if the concept of infinity means nothing to a character, would that scale to 1a?
 
Hellsing said:
so he has to transcend the concept of dimensions too?
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that depends on the verse and what it means by concept of dimensions. If the cosmology is only 4D and somebody reliable says "He transcended concept of dimensions! He is now R>F Layer!" Then that's probably 5D. Just because somebody flings out "transcend concept of dimensions" does not make things outer. If it gave different details to make it higher, to say, something that fits what outer would be, then it can be.
 
Hellsing said:
I read somewhere that platonics are beyond the concept of time and space, don't know why they decided to remove it
Also, if the concept of infinity means nothing to a character, would that scale to 1a?
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you can give this one a read.
(I've made a thread about this particular comicvine thread in vsbw, and the analysis was fine according to another member who seems knowledgeable about plato, so dont worry about it being your average "bad comicvine thread")
It debunks the notion of platonical concepts being outer, or scalable. (Had also another vsbw member who knows about about plato forms, to read it, and it was accurate)
Here https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/platonic-forms-disrespect-thread-2242221/
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Infinity is vague. At best that's probably just At least High 3-A or Low 2-C
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TheGunsFinalWrath said:
you can give this one a read.
(I've made a thread about this particular comicvine thread in vsbw, and the analysis was fine according to another member who seems knowledgeable about plato, so dont worry about it being your average "bad comicvine thread")
It debunks the notion of platonical concepts being outer, or scalable. (Had also another vsbw member who knows about about plato forms, to read it, and it was accurate)
Here https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/platonic-forms-disrespect-thread-2242221/
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alr ty
 
LordTracer said:
The graph has no units on it whatsoever, we can’t glean anything aside from “Saitama got far stronger” from that.
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Well we know that the first point it the serious punch squared, and the end point for saitama was 16 times higher than it
the x axis would at the very least be from beginning of the fight to end of the fight (that's an extreme lowball since exponential growth means he would've gotten like at least hundreds of times stronger than that lol) so I think it'd be much more unreasonable to assume that he's not 9 times stronger and has no multiplier, when they quite literally give us the most in-your-face graph representation of their growth. But I guess the wiki mainly goes for low ends these days anyways
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Well we know that the first point it the serious punch squared, and the end point for saitama was 16 times higher than it
the x axis would at the very least be from beginning of the fight to end of the fight (that's an extreme lowball since exponential growth means he would've gotten like at least hundreds of times stronger than that lol) so I think it'd be much more unreasonable to assume that he's not 9 times stronger and has no multiplier, when they quite literally give us the most in-your-face graph representation of their growth. But I guess the wiki mainly goes for low ends these days anyways
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And it's not like we are saying that this is his tier. Just that it could possibly be it.
 
Alexander said:
to exist beyond the concept of something like space-time would qualify as outerversal (even if the necessary context is literally a 10-page text) because there's not much to think about, it's not that difficult.
because the concept of space-time/dimension means that all the things linked to it can exist, whether there are like 4 dimensions or infinite dimensions, all of that will still be part of the concept of dimension as a whole.
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If the verse doesn't even have infinite dimensions to begin with why would you assume that, that set character who transcends the concept of space time is even above infinite dimensions

"concept of space-time/dimension means that all the things linked to it can exist"

Ye if all things linked to it don't include infinite dimensions then the assumption of it being 1-A is thrown out seeing as you yourself believe that it's in reference to all things that are linked to it that can exist (in which ofc all things in the verse that's linked to it can exist not anything outside the set verse ) meaning if things linked to it such as 3 spatial dimensions and say 1 temporal dimension then ofc transcending that would include those 4 dimensions but not infinite dimensions seeing as they don't exist in the verse in the first place no?
Alexander said:
even human perception/imagination is not limited in dimensions,humans cannot see 4D,not because we don't understand it,we just don't see it because it is not seen,it is felt,time is something that is felt and cannot be seen,you can feel time passing,seconds,but you will not see time passing directly(ie,yes,but not as it sounds)and there are more theorized dimensions(at least 11)that cannot be seen because you need advanced machinery for that.
human comprehension is not limited by dimensions,it is vision,and vision and comprehension is different,a person who does not see the color of something does not understand it,but he can get an idea of what it is,so practically can comprehend something that he can't see.
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I'm not sure how this is supposed to prove the concept of space and time transcendence is 1-A regardless of lack of context affirming that,that transcendence is on a level that warrants a 1-A rating
 
Do we assume Saitama could harm Garou with the Jupiter sneeze by his reaction?
If yes, going by Arceus0x calc:

"so people wanted to know just how powerful would Saitama's punch would be if compared to serious sneeze. It is a fun game for thought so i'll try it out.
A sneeze is 4.5 m/s. A sneeze is basically you inhaling air and the sneezing it out with your mucus and so let's use that. People say that you inhale about 600ml of air in one breath or 0.0006m^3. The density is 1.225 kg/m^3 so 1.225*0.0006 is 0.000735kg. This gives us an estimate of approximately 0.00744188 joules. Experts can deliver punches that are 400 joules of energy. This gives us a difference of 53749.8589066x. Now for the serious sneeze. The serious sneeze is 1.45*10^42 joules
meaning that the punch would be 7.7937295e+46 joules or 4-B"

You could possibly argue Saitama grew 53749x stronger in the fight. Assuming he went from equal to "being able to seriously hurt with a sneeze" and that his sneeze would harm Garou as much as a K.O punch and that his sneeze is as proportionally powerful to his punches as a normal human's (meaning no superbreath/enhanced lungs stuff).
Not that it would be accepted or anything.
 
Epiccheev said:
Do we assume Saitama could harm Garou with the Jupiter sneeze by his reaction?
If yes, going by Arceus0x calc:

"so people wanted to know just how powerful would Saitama's punch would be if compared to serious sneeze. It is a fun game for thought so i'll try it out.
A sneeze is 4.5 m/s. A sneeze is basically you inhaling air and the sneezing it out with your mucus and so let's use that. People say that you inhale about 600ml of air in one breath or 0.0006m^3. The density is 1.225 kg/m^3 so 1.225*0.0006 is 0.000735kg. This gives us an estimate of approximately 0.00744188 joules. Experts can deliver punches that are 400 joules of energy. This gives us a difference of 53749.8589066x. Now for the serious sneeze. The serious sneeze is 1.45*10^42 joules
meaning that the punch would be 7.7937295e+46 joules or 4-B"

You could possibly argue Saitama grew 53749x stronger in the fight. Assuming he went from equal to "being able to seriously hurt with a sneeze" and that his sneeze would harm Garou as much as a K.O punch and that his sneeze is as proportionally powerful to his punches as a normal human's (meaning no superbreath/enhanced lungs stuff).
Not that it would be accepted or anything.
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And we have to calculate the actual speed of the sneeze, which would undoubtedly make it even more powerful than that calc.
 
Intruvious said:
Damn. Wonder what the changes might be.
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The graph no longer exist, Saitama was just holding back and continuously using more and more power during his fight.
XVII said:
saitama remembers the other timeline
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Is this a bad thing? I hope he remembers that, so that he stops looking for someone to challenge him and focuses more on the relationships he has created.
 
Therefir said:
The graph no longer exist, Saitama was just holding back and continuously using more and more power during his fight.

Is this a bad thing? I hope he remembers that, so that he stops looking for someone to challenge him and focuses more on the relationships he has created.
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what will happen
blast will arrive and notice that the power of god comes out of garou's body,then he manages to contain it and sends the power of god to another dimension,then he talks to saitama and tells him that he remembers the events of the other timeline,and saitama starts to remember those events.
 
Therefir said:
Unironically, I think the graph nerfed Saitama more than it helped him, since we now know that his power is not infinite and that other characters can surpass previous version of him.
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I don't think he nerfed him, I think he buffed his previous forms, since the training saitama when he was one-shotted increased in power and one-shotted the one who one-shotted him.
I mean,to beat saitama you have to do more than just one-shot him(hax)or if the hax don't work,you'll just be dead and you won't be saved.
 
In the perception of your average OPM fan who thinks he soloes fiction and that ONE intended him to be an undefeatable gag character then yeah it's a nerf, since it proves his power isn't beyond infinity+++.

But now he actually has a chance to win battles in his tier and not be called an unskilled haxless brick.
 
4-A is a huge tier, I wonder what matches Saitama can even have without them being a stomp for either side.
 
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