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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

RethPo said:
https://cdn.**********.com/attachme...2023294809161860/saitamagrowthscalethingy.png

just so you know. taking the graph absolutely seriously would make saitama 64 times more powerful and garou over 20 times more powerful near the end of their fight and galaxy level as a result.
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i wanna 3-C saitama so i can make kang vs saitama
 
Intruvious said:
Damn. Wonder what the changes might be.
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The graph no longer exist, Saitama was just holding back and continuously using more and more power during his fight.
XVII said:
saitama remembers the other timeline
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Is this a bad thing? I hope he remembers that, so that he stops looking for someone to challenge him and focuses more on the relationships he has created.
 
Therefir said:
The graph no longer exist, Saitama was just holding back and continuously using more and more power during his fight.

Is this a bad thing? I hope he remembers that, so that he stops looking for someone to challenge him and focuses more on the relationships he has created.
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what will happen
blast will arrive and notice that the power of god comes out of garou's body,then he manages to contain it and sends the power of god to another dimension,then he talks to saitama and tells him that he remembers the events of the other timeline,and saitama starts to remember those events.
 
Unironically, I think the graph nerfed Saitama more than it helped him, since we now know that his power is not infinite and that other characters can surpass previous version of him.
 
Therefir said:
Unironically, I think the graph nerfed Saitama more than it helped him, since we now know that his power is not infinite and that other characters can surpass previous version of him.
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I don't think he nerfed him, I think he buffed his previous forms, since the training saitama when he was one-shotted increased in power and one-shotted the one who one-shotted him.
I mean,to beat saitama you have to do more than just one-shot him(hax)or if the hax don't work,you'll just be dead and you won't be saved.
 
I like how this sequence implies Blast just stood there watching Garou destroy Genos and allowed Bang to fall.

Bang goes from standing up yelling at Garou with Blast then it cuts to Bang down and Genos dead with half of his head gone. Like what?
 
In the perception of your average OPM fan who thinks he soloes fiction and that ONE intended him to be an undefeatable gag character then yeah it's a nerf, since it proves his power isn't beyond infinity+++.

But now he actually has a chance to win battles in his tier and not be called an unskilled haxless brick.
 
Dienomite22 said:
I like how this sequence implies Blast just stood there watching Garou destroy Genos and allowed Bang to fall.

Bang goes from standing up yelling at Garou with Blast then it cuts to Bang down and Genos dead with half of his head gone. Like what?
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blast:i care about earth*proceds to literraly see how people die*
 
4-A is a huge tier, I wonder what matches Saitama can even have without them being a stomp for either side.
 
Epiccheev said:
In the perception of your average OPM fan who thinks he soloes fiction and that ONE intended him to be an undefeatable gag character then yeah it's a nerf, since it proves his power isn't beyond infinity+++.

But now he actually has a chance to win battles in his tier and not be called an unskilled haxless brick.
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unless it is literally a logic as justanormalperson said, that it is literally for alephs, or as I can think of it.
that it is like the distance between one number and another(1 and 2 for example)that in reality,between 1 and 2 there is an infinite amount of space or hierarchy,because no matter how many numbers you put to 1 it will still be 1 and it will be less than 2.
So even if the enemy makes the distance between him and saitama's power (2 for the enemy and 1 for saitama) saitama will cover that distance and make the distance double (4).
 
LordTracer said:
There is literally no units on the graph at all. You can’t say it’s in joules because that’s not that the manga says. You can’t say it’s in megatons because that’s not what the manga says. You’re trying to add something that literally isn’t there.

The graph is unquantifiable. The increases are unquantifiable. We aren’t giving Saitama an over 9x increase based on that.
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I'll try to refute this point using mathematical proofs. Let's say Saitama's power is graphed as being 1 unknown unit on the Y axis, and then he's shown on the next plotted point, he's 2 units up the Y axis. That means from point 1 to point 2, he has grown 2 times in power, regardless of the units.

Let's use a very simple mathematical proof to show this. Say 1 point on the graph is R in value. That means each point is R times how many units up from the origin they are. We'll start small and work our way up to prove this equation is true.

Starting simple, R = 2. No units. Well if we're 1 unit up on the Y axis, the equation is Y1 = R x 1. 2 x 1 = 2, duh, so that means we have a value of 2.

Moving on if R = 2, and we're 2 units up on the Y axis, that would mean our equation is Y1 = 2 x 2 = 4. Seems internally consistent

Now if we want to find the multiplier required to get from our 1st Y value to our 2nd Y value, we just divde the larger number by the smaller one, getting a x2 multiplier.

Now for a larger scale example:

Let's say R = 76954768457654876 we're 2 units up. Well let's just plug it in to our equation, Y1 = R x 2, which equals 1.5390954e+17.

Then, on the next point, we're 4 units up. So Y2 = R x 4, which gets us 3.0781907e+17.

Now how many times more powerful did the person get between Y1 and Y2? They grew twice as powerful. Why does this matter? In the OPM graph we never get how much 1 equals, so why does this long response even exist?

Because mathematical reasoning exists. Let me phrase this like a math question. Person X one starts 5 units up on the Y axis. He then climbs another five units. Without knowing R, how many times more powerful is Person X at Y2 when compared to Y1?

Well even without knowing R, making our equation Y1 = R x 5 and Y2 = R x 10, we still know that the value of R is a constant on a graph. So we just divide the two numbers we have by each other to learn that they grew twice as powerful. The units are abritrary, it doesn't even matter if they use their own made up system called Terragiggachadchucknorris Scooby Doos, it is still showing his power doubled.
 
Cryo123 said:
I'll try to refute this point using mathematical proofs. Let's say Saitama's power is graphed as being 1 unknown unit on the Y axis, and then he's shown on the next plotted point, he's 2 units up the Y axis. That means from point 1 to point 2, he has grown 2 times in power, regardless of the units.

Let's use a very simple mathematical proof to show this. Say 1 point on the graph is R in value. That means each point is R times how many units up from the origin they are. We'll start small and work our way up to prove this equation is true.

Starting simple, R = 2. No units. Well if we're 1 unit up on the Y axis, the equation is Y1 = R x 1. 2 x 1 = 2, duh, so that means we have a value of 2.

Moving on if R = 2, and we're 2 units up on the Y axis, that would mean our equation is Y1 = 2 x 2 = 4. Seems internally consistent

Now if we want to find the multiplier required to get from our 1st Y value to our 2nd Y value, we just divde the larger number by the smaller one, getting a x2 multiplier.

Now for a larger scale example:

Let's say R = 76954768457654876 we're 2 units up. Well let's just plug it in to our equation, Y1 = R x 2, which equals 1.5390954e+17.

Then, on the next point, we're 4 units up. So Y2 = R x 4, which gets us 3.0781907e+17.

Now how many times more powerful did the person get between Y1 and Y2? They grew twice as powerful. Why does this matter? In the OPM graph we never get how much 1 equals, so why does this long response even exist?

Because mathematical reasoning exists. Let me phrase this like a math question. Person X one starts 5 units up on the Y axis. He then climbs another five units. Without knowing R, how many times more powerful is Person X at Y2 when compared to Y1?

Well even without knowing R, making our equation Y1 = R x 5 and Y2 = R x 10, we still know that the value of R is a constant on a graph. So we just divide the two numbers we have by each other to learn that they grew twice as powerful. The units are abritrary, it doesn't even matter if they use their own made up system called Terragiggachadchucknorris Scooby Doos, it is still showing his power doubled.
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the only think i understand his:
the number is unkown
 
Cryo123 said:
I'll try to refute this point using mathematical proofs. Let's say Saitama's power is graphed as being 1 unknown unit on the Y axis, and then he's shown on the next plotted point, he's 2 units up the Y axis. That means from point 1 to point 2, he has grown 2 times in power, regardless of the units.

Let's use a very simple mathematical proof to show this. Say 1 point on the graph is R in value. That means each point is R times how many units up from the origin they are. We'll start small and work our way up to prove this equation is true.

Starting simple, R = 2. No units. Well if we're 1 unit up on the Y axis, the equation is Y1 = R x 1. 2 x 1 = 2, duh, so that means we have a value of 2.

Moving on if R = 2, and we're 2 units up on the Y axis, that would mean our equation is Y1 = 2 x 2 = 4. Seems internally consistent

Now if we want to find the multiplier required to get from our 1st Y value to our 2nd Y value, we just divde the larger number by the smaller one, getting a x2 multiplier.

Now for a larger scale example:

Let's say R = 76954768457654876 we're 2 units up. Well let's just plug it in to our equation, Y1 = R x 2, which equals 1.5390954e+17.

Then, on the next point, we're 4 units up. So Y2 = R x 4, which gets us 3.0781907e+17.

Now how many times more powerful did the person get between Y1 and Y2? They grew twice as powerful. Why does this matter? In the OPM graph we never get how much 1 equals, so why does this long response even exist?

Because mathematical reasoning exists. Let me phrase this like a math question. Person X one starts 5 units up on the Y axis. He then climbs another five units. Without knowing R, how many times more powerful is Person X at Y2 when compared to Y1?

Well even without knowing R, making our equation Y1 = R x 5 and Y2 = R x 10, we still know that the value of R is a constant on a graph. So we just divide the two numbers we have by each other to learn that they grew twice as powerful. The units are abritrary, it doesn't even matter if they use their own made up system called Terragiggachadchucknorris Scooby Doos, it is still showing his power doubled.
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Aren't there also graphs that make use of logarithmic scales?
 
Intruvious said:
This. I didn't want to say it, but this is what I want. For the graph to be removed. It would change pretty much everything.
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the reason why the graph is bad,is because,don't say anything about saitama power growing(we see,but not multiply or something)
 
LordTracer said:
There is literally no units on the graph at all. You can’t say it’s in joules because that’s not that the manga says. You can’t say it’s in megatons because that’s not what the manga says. You’re trying to add something that literally isn’t there.

The graph is unquantifiable. The increases are unquantifiable. We aren’t giving Saitama an over 9x increase based on that.
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adding onto what's already been said
we could technically deduce the units, given that the first attack on the graph would be the serious punch^2 which has been calced to death already.
 
Cryo123 said:
In the OPM graph we never get how much 1 equals, so why does this long response even exist?
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Full stop, right here. This is why Saitama’s not getting the multiplier, because nothing on the graph indicates what each point equals. And your logic of “oh he moved two points up so he’s two times stronger” doesn’t work when there’s graphs that count up each decimal point.

Let’s take your example but say the graph counts decimals. If Saitama starts at 1.1 and moves up two points, he’s only at 1.3 now. It’s not a 2x difference anymore, is it?

Also you seem to confuse me saying units with me wanting it to say joules or something. That’s not the point I was making. The point is that there is not a single number given on the graph, any multiplier you come up with will be headcanon, whether that’s 2x, 9x or 80x like that other guy suggested.
 
Too much importance is being given to the graph. What I, and a few others, are saying is that it's not that far of a reach for at least Saitama to possibly have reached the realm of 3-C, given how he had completely and utterly exceeded Garou's level by the end of the fight and had potentially reached the same power gap as it was between him and normal Garou in the past, if not higher.
 
Intruvious said:
Too much importance is being given to the graph. What I, and a few others, are saying is that it's not that far of a reach for at least Saitama to possibly have reached the realm of 3-C, given how he had completely and utterly exceeded Garou's level by the end of the fight and had potentially reached the same power gap as it was between him and normal Garou in the past, if not higher.
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It’s not a far reach at all, but without an explicit multiplier, we cannot say Saitama made the over 9x gap to 3-C just because he became far stronger than Garou.
 
LordTracer said:
Full stop, right here. This is why Saitama’s not getting the multiplier, because nothing on the graph indicates what each point equals. And your logic of “oh he moved two points up so he’s two times stronger” doesn’t work when there’s graphs that count up each decimal point.

Let’s take your example but say the graph counts decimals. If Saitama starts at 1.1 and moves up two points, he’s only at 1.3 now. It’s not a 2x difference anymore, is it?

Also you seem to confuse me saying units with me wanting it to say joules or something. That’s not the point I was making. The point is that there is not a single number given on the graph, any multiplier you come up with will be headcanon, whether that’s 2x, 9x or 80x like that other guy suggested.
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where I'm from we would call that a bad argument
we know that saitama's AD made him one shots on top of one shots on top of one shots stronger than Garou, so it would be EXTREMELY unreasonable to say that he only got 2.6 times stronger, and the burden of proof would be on you to say that the graph has abnormal units like that
by the way, this argument isn't even possible given that saitama starts at around 1/5 of a unit, and then the distance between that and zero gets multiplied
this is actual baby shit, it doesn't take a genius to know that one point on the graph is twice as high as the last. The units DO NOT MATTER, because whatever happened he still got around 64 times stronger.

but yes, for the sake of accuracy and being an absolutely reasonable and making profiles that have absolutely the best facts, let's say that saitama>>>>Garou>>>Garou>>Garou>Garou>Garou scaling chain of one shots isn't even him getting three times stronger, because clearly that is the more reasonable assumption to make.
 
LordTracer said:
Full stop, right here. This is why Saitama’s not getting the multiplier, because nothing on the graph indicates what each point equals. And your logic of “oh he moved two points up so he’s two times stronger” doesn’t work when there’s graphs that count up each decimal point.

Let’s take your example but say the graph counts decimals. If Saitama starts at 1.1 and moves up two points, he’s only at 1.3 now. It’s not a 2x difference anymore, is it?

Also you seem to confuse me saying units with me wanting it to say joules or something. That’s not the point I was making. The point is that there is not a single number given on the graph, any multiplier you come up with will be headcanon, whether that’s 2x, 9x or 80x like that other guy suggested.
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Also, logical deduction would disprove it being in decimal scaling since there would practically be no difference in power, unless those decimals represented something else, in which case we are back to square one with regards to that whole argument. But, tbh, this whole graph thing is just a headache.
 
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/844777414596755475/1002658990729216081/unknown.png
Words are more difficult when debating issues like these, so instead of me losing my shit, here is a (rough) visual representation of how the logic behind this works
it's a self-explanatory image.

1 represents the serious punch squared which is the start of the fight, and then eventually it'd go up to the end of the fight which I think is roughly around 64 times higher than the initial
 
ZillertheBucko said:
saitama>>>>Garou>>>Garou>>Garou>Garou>Garou scaling chain of one shots isn't even him getting three times stronger, because clearly that is the more reasonable assumption to make.
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I hate to break it to you, but that’s how the site works. If you don’t have a statement of a multiplier, you’re not getting a multiplier.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
but yes, for the sake of accuracy and being an absolutely reasonable and making profiles that have absolutely the best facts, let's say that saitama>>>>Garou>>>Garou>>Garou>Garou>Garou scaling chain of one shots isn't even him getting three times stronger, because clearly that is the more reasonable assumption to make.
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I dunno about the graph or whatever but I just wanna explain why this scaling chain won't be accepted.

This guy has a scaling chain that looks like this, Hades (Amped Up) >> Hades (Base) >>>>>> 3 Sacred Treasures >>> Pit (Base) = 317.9 Teratons. To put into perspective how big the gaps here are, base form Hades can casually one shot the 3 sacred treasures just by burping. Yet we only put his amped form as "likely Large Country level+" despite the fact the 317.9 teratons feat he scales massively above is only 35% below the baseline for a + rating.
 
Dust_Collector said:
I dunno about the graph or whatever but I just wanna explain why this scaling chain won't be accepted.

This guy has a scaling chain that looks like this, Hades (Amped Up) >> Hades (Base) >>>>>> 3 Sacred Treasures >>> Pit (Base) = 317.9 Teratons. To put into perspective how big the gaps here are, base form Hades can casually one shot the 3 sacred treasures just by burping. Yet we only put his amped form a "likely Large Country level+" despite the 317.9 teratons feat he scales massively above is only 35% below the baseline for a + rating.
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ok actually, both of you are ignoring that the scaling chain was never my main argument, I only brought it up because it would be much more compelling to disagree with something like a 2.6 times multiplier
I'm very aware of how messed up scaling chains are here already, I mean I've seen what they did to Jotaro being like a few decimals below the upscale value to 8-B
 
ZillertheBucko said:
ok actually, both of you are ignoring that the scaling chain was never my main argument, I only brought it up because it would be much more compelling to disagree with something like a 2.6 times multiplier
I'm very aware of how messed up scaling chains are here already, I mean I've seen what they did to Jotaro being like a few decimals below the upscale value to 8-B
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Funny how you're saying they're ignoring you when you're ignoring them, while you're trying to place headcanon on a graph.
 
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