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that was a gag. goku literally got owned by a laser gun by some fodder in frieza's army, and that wasn't a gag scene, it was a serious scene. the moment when you can beat a 196 quadrillion times FTL, universe busting Saiyan God with a laser gun from the dollar store. Man I feel OP!
Goku one punches the one punch man cope.
 
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goku, the dude who constantly gets hit by bullets and rocks. yeah okay
"constantly"? He was hit by 1 bullet in DBS because he was off-guard and thought all of the thugs were knocked out. And he was hit by a rock when he least expected it while trying to sleep. Dragon Ball characters rely on Ki to enhance themselves, and when they're not using it, they're fodder, this is explicitly confirmed in DBS.
that was a gag. goku literally got owned by a laser gun by some fodder in frieza's army, and that wasn't a gag scene, it was a serious scene. the moment when you can beat a 196 quadrillion times FTL, universe busting Saiyan God with a laser gun from the dollar store. Man I feel OP!
I hope you're trolling by mentioning the Sorbet laser thing. This has been debunked for over half a decade now, mostly just trolls bring it up these days, it's not even worth discussion anymore. He was off-guard in base form. It was blatantly stated that Goku was only hit and injured by it specifically because he wasn't defending himself. That was the original purpose of Ultra Instinct and why Whis was training him for it, because Goku's biggest weakness is him being too reckless and carefree.

All you mentioned were 3 downplay troll arguments, all of which rely on a weakness Goku has that isn't relevant to this discussion. If you're arguing that Goku with no Ki loses in a race to Saitama, then sure, I'd agree with that. In reality, Dragon Ball characters have been FTL since the Saiyan Saga. I couldn't really care less about Goku's particular speed rating on the wiki, but him being very high into MFTL+ is objective currently. Whereas Saitama is MFTL at best.
 
Anyway, this is not a DB thread, so I'm putting a pin in that part of the discussion.
lmao 196 quadrillion times faster than light... I wonder if I asked Akira Toriyama "hey bro, is goku 196 quadrillion times faster than light?" he would say "the **** are you smoking?"
Murata and ONE would probably say the same thing about Saitama travelling from another solar system.
 
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in the redrawn chapter 164, don't we still get 5B feats for garou and saitama?

there the ocean looks still raised like the previous chapter which has not been redrawn

we should still get 5B feats for garou and saitama
 
eh looks like the link I sent can't be opened





in the redrawn chapter 164, don't we still get 5B feats for garou and saitama?

there the ocean looks still raised like the previous chapter which has not been redrawn

we should still get 5B feats for garou and saitama
 
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As we know Saitama can interact with non-physical objects like mental spaces. Does this mean he can interact with incorporeal entities?

Also, he should get immersion as an ability for the same reason.
 
Should be telling you this actually. Show me a scan that proves those specs are from Blast's Gravity Knuckles 💀
Are you blind? Read the manga- matter of fact, read the thread you're talking on. Many people have showed it countless times. I'm not showing you shit.
 
I remember Seth saying something like, if we ever got a guidebook, they're gonna straight up say it's as strong as a real GRB. I feel like that would happen
I feel like next guidebook (if we get it) will give a lot of upgrades by properly explaining abilities and skills.
 
Do you guys know why TTM is Small City Level? I know Garou said post-superfight Genos is equal in strength to TTM but he only took some Machine Gun Blows and dodged his Incineration Cannons. Yet TTM is scaled to Genos's Jet Drive Arrow AP for some reason, shouldn't he be downgraded to Large Town Level?
 
Do you guys know why TTM is Small City Level? I know Garou said post-superfight Genos is equal in strength to TTM but he only took some Machine Gun Blows and dodged his Incineration Cannons. Yet TTM is scaled to Genos's Jet Drive Arrow AP for some reason, shouldn't he be downgraded to Large Town Level?
Genos tanked his JDA and can harm those who can harm him. TTM is stated to be on par with Genos in AP.
 
Do you guys know why TTM is Small City Level? I know Garou said post-superfight Genos is equal in strength to TTM but he only took some Machine Gun Blows and dodged his Incineration Cannons. Yet TTM is scaled to Genos's Jet Drive Arrow AP for some reason, shouldn't he be downgraded to Large Town Level?
Post-Superfight Genos is Small City level all around and TTM is equal to him.
 
Even the Flash had a lot of writers who don't think he goes faster than light (less so now).
Remember that feat he did in the comics that was like several trillion times the speed of light where he saved an entire population in I think .0001 microseconds or something like that? I think the panel said he wasn't going at the speed of light when he did so or something weird.

Honestly, you won't get an accurate powerscaling answer from an author unless they're somewhat have an idea of powerscaling as a whole.
 
Post-Superfight Genos is Small City level all around and TTM is equal to him.
Genos tanked his JDA and can harm those who can harm him. TTM is stated to be on par with Genos in AP.
I'm sorry but how exactly is Genos Small City Level all around when his JDA is the one calced to be Small City Level and not his regular blows? Wouldn't it be more correct for Genos to be Large Town Level upto Small City Level with JDA?
Is not that I have a particular issue with TTM being Small City Level is just that the way the correlation is being done here is rather vague.
 
I'm sorry but how exactly is Genos Small City Level all around when his JDA is the one calced to be Small City Level and not his regular blows? Wouldn't it be more correct for Genos to be Large Town Level upto Small City Level with JDA?
Is not that I have a particular issue with TTM being Small City Level is just that the way the correlation is being done here is rather vague.
Genos’ durability scales to the Jet Drive Arrow, and Genos’ normal blows can harm people (Garou) capable of harming him.
 
I'm sorry but how exactly is Genos Small City Level all around when his JDA is the one calced to be Small City Level and not his regular blows? Wouldn't it be more correct for Genos to be Large Town Level upto Small City Level with JDA?
Is not that I have a particular issue with TTM being Small City Level is just that the way the correlation is being done here is rather vague.
I just stated just now. He tanks his own JDA. He can harm people who can harm his durability, therefore, he scales all around.
 
IIRC they state him to do it at just under the speed of light, so Relativistic+. I think this is a case of death of the author
Yeah, he literally contradicts himself by saying "just under the speed of light", and then "he saved the entire population in .00001 microseconds" or something like that. On a larger scale, this is what it's like with the Arrowverse speedster profiles since this weird "we say he's this speed but make him do something much faster" thing is a lot more common there.
 
Yeah, he literally contradicts himself by saying "just under the speed of light", and then "he saved the entire population in .00001 microseconds" or something like that. On a larger scale, this is what it's like with the Arrowverse speedster profiles since this weird "we say he's this speed but make him do something much faster" thing is a lot more common there.
Writers don't know math. I remember one scene where they said 30 joules could destroy the universe or some shit
 
Was this during Crisis? I almost completely haven't watched season 6 and 7.
Nah, its Season 1 Episode 23. Where a guy says this
A singularity won't stop, not even after the earth is gone.
Implying the Black Hole will eventually consume everything. And then the show follows that up with this incredibly meme statement
Barry, that event has an energy level of at least 6.7 Tera Electron Volts. It cannot be stopped.
For non-science people here's what 6.7 Tera Electron volts would be
  • 6.7 TeV = 6.7 * 10^12 eV
  • 6.7e+12 / 6.242e+18 = 1.07345829855e-6 Joules
You take more energy to physically exist by an order of seven magnitudes than it would take to stop this black hole.
 
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