So do the following, instead of comparing him with Beerus, compare Jiren with Gods inferior to Bellmoth, like Champa who has the feat with Beerus and among others, put Jiren above the other Gods and that's it, you don't need to climb directly to Beerus, since if two Gods fight the two Universes belonging to that Gods will be destroyed (detailed explanation by Anja there)
That works.
Makes sense to me
I mean the logic always made sense to me, I'm not exactly sure why it was rejected before but given the agreement of 3 staff members and the overall unanimous nature of this, I believe changes can be appliedNah this is all way too good to be true someone is gonna come in and ruin it with some reductive argument.
This is vsbw, we're not allowed to buff DB here
Except it’s established that if a fight between two GoDs will result in the destruction of two universes, which is 2-C. Jiren‘s ki had more of an effect than a battle between three GoDs, so he scales to 2-C.
I was actually going to mention this too. It seems to be implied that the GoDs can survive the destruction of 2 universes
Even in the Manga, Beerus and Champa fought and only threatened to destroy the universes when they basically just said "screw it, I don't care anymore" and used that energy ball attack, THAT was when their angels got involved, they merely watched beforehand. In the anime, you could see the wave of destruction flaying outwardly, the angels then stepped in shortly after. Neither of this happened when the GoDs fought, they decided to fight using the actual tournament rules, which means they all held back
I never said Jiren doesn't scale to 2c, but that assuming those GoDs were dishing out that level at that point might be faulty
It would kill their supreme kais, which would end up with then dead
But the destruction itself isn't what's killing them then, it's just the death of the Supreme Kais
What you said means nothing. The tournament rules simply mean the GoDs didn't use their Hakai energy, and they can still go at full power without it since Hakai is Existence Erasure rather than AP. Also, Jiren was under tournament rules as well, so what you're saying just ends up canceling itself out anyway.
Not sure why you're being so confrontational, again, I didn't say they can't tank their own AP of 2 universes, when ridiculous suppressed BoG Beerus already tanked hits from sssg absorbed Goku that was verbatim stated to be capable of destroying the universe,
Their hakai energy is what was spreading out during Beerus vs Champa fight in the anime, that is what was corroding and destroying everything, not their basic punches or whatnot, which barely showed any AoE. So yea, that's a pretty big deal if they didn't exude any hakai energy.
We saw why he said this with Beerus and Champa, when they were fighting, their destructive energy ki leaked out, started spreading and started destroying everything, their actual attacks were basically what we see in everyday dbs.
They had their auras out so they were evidently exuding energy, along with the fact that they were using a bunch of energy attacks.
This is after Goku had learned how to perfectly cancel out Beerus’s moves with his own. We’ve seen what happens when he doesn’t know how to do that, on both Goku’s and Beerus’s ends, so it’s clear that Beerus is still throwing out punches with universe destroying AOE. Goku just now knows how to cancel out that AOEFor SSG Goku I am not referring to the cancelling punch, I am referring to this, after he absorbed it and then went SSJ
It's very possible for GoDs to throw out universe busters without causing much AoE.
And as I’ve mentioned before, they don’t need Hakai to affect the universe. In addition, the GoDs would not be holding back here, as they’re not only testing the durability of the stage, but they were also trying to impress Zen-Oh.
Because that’s exactly what’s been shown multiple times. Goku vs. Beerus showed this, and then Beerus vs. Champa in Episode 70 did so as well. Even in your example, the corrosion was just a result of their basic punches.
Which is a feat for him, not an anti feat for tat fight specifically
We're at a point where we have enough approval to make changes, I think the main issue at the moment is getting someone to unlock the necessary profiles
@DarkDragonMedeus Would you mind unlocking these pages so we can apply this?
Buddy, Vegetto is missing
Vegeto doesn't scale, look the profile
He doesn’t scale.
There's a whole discussion rule on this. As much as I'd love for it to be the case, Vegito Blue doesn't scale
I have unlocked them all.
I did not know that
