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and isn't the difference between the player and those he controls very important to the undertale/deltarune lore as a whole?
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You said "he is said to survive without a soul".I would say multiple minds, the Player is considered Kris' mistress both in the game and in his profile (as he is said to survive without a soul)
Thanks for the evidence. None of them are statements, but they are feats.how about all the mentions that the heart-shaped object and kris' soul + the player will be shown to be the heart-shaped object (like when Kris removes us from it and locks it in the cage, we can still move around inside from the cage
There is a save file Kris SOMEHOW made through unknown means that the player didn't make. Also, Deltarune doesn't use all the same rules as Undertale, so we can't assume it's Time Manipulation without evidence to the contrary.well, Kris alone doesn't have the ability to save or load time alone, that's directly as a result of the Player's feats, without the Player they couldn't do that
ok, one sec, I will read all later with more concentration, I'm doing some other things nowCorrect yourself:
You said "he is said to survive without a soul".
Thanks for the evidence. None of them are statements, but they are feats.
In theory, maybe Kris has a SOUL of their own, & maybe that's why they reject the control we exert on them, but that's speculation.
There is a save file Kris SOMEHOW made through unknown means that the player didn't make. Also, Deltarune doesn't use all the same rules as Undertale, so we can't assume it's Time Manipulation without evidence to the contrary.
But yeah, my issues with Multiple Selves are:
1. If it's Multiple Minds, how do we know the SOUL isn't just a remotely controlled means of physically controlling Kris that lacks a mind of its own? Their emotions, expressions, & how they execute commands are still their own.
2. Does Kris have a Soul of their own that isn't the SOUL? If not, does it still qualify as Possession to control such a SOUL-less body?
I'd ask for more input on those matters, but they aren't a big deal, so I understand if folks don't wanna discuss them.
This is still being debated.thanks, and probably no one besides the trash machine is comparable to anything from the giga queen, so it would be a good thing to change that too
No problem. I'm worrying the thread is going a bit faster than some would prefer. Also, off-topic, but, plus, I have food & want to take time to eat, since I've been typing non-stop a lot recently.ok, one sec, I will read all later with more concentration, I'm doing some other things now
I'd assume my stance on the matter is sufficiently well-established that it's understood, but I can continue debating it if there's points people want to bring up with me.This is still being debated.
ok, we are not here to discuss their genderCorrect yourself:
here is Kris profile about ItYou said "he is said to survive without a soul".
referring to the end of chapter 1 when he ripped out their soul/The palyer and went to eat Toriel's pieResistance to Soul Manipulation (Can take SOUL attacks as physical ones. Was able to survive without a soul after they ripped out their own)
Spanton neo talking to Kris in the PR (2:25) fight about needing his soul? And given support that he's talking about the heart-shaped object (I'll refer to this as "player" from here on) as he previously asked the player for kris during his fight next to his dumpsterThanks for the evidence. None of them are statements, but they are feats.
It's unlikely with how many times it's shown that the Player is their soul, there must be other examples besides Spamton like the books in the library, but I'll now go after answering the rest of your messagesIn theory, maybe Kris has a SOUL of their own, & maybe that's why they reject the control we exert on them, but that's speculation.
Deltarune is certainly at least in the same verse as Undertale, this is mainly seen in the fact that Sans was there and brought his house from the Undertale universe to Deltarune (this is visible in the fact that the snow on top of his house) so unless you want to make sans be able to travel between different verses i doubt a bit they are both not within the same verse with at least similar rules, i don't know about this save file you're talking about that wasn't created by the player, could you show me a video or something about it?There is a save file Kris SOMEHOW made through unknown means that the player didn't make. Also, Deltarune doesn't use all the same rules as Undertale, so we can't assume it's Time Manipulation without evidence to the contrary.
1- could you write this point? I think I didn't understood ItBut yeah, my issues with Multiple Selves are:
1. If it's Multiple Minds, how do we know the SOUL isn't just a remotely controlled means of physically controlling Kris that lacks a mind of its own? Their emotions, expressions, & how they execute commands are still their own.
2. Does Kris have a Soul of their own that isn't the SOUL? If not, does it still qualify as Possession to control such a SOUL-less body?
I'd ask for more input on those matters, but they aren't a big deal, so I understand if folks don't wanna discuss them.
I think this is a subject that should have its own CRTThe discussion on the Giga Queen scaling is being divided by two separate threads, perhaps we need to explain that here rather in the general Deltarune Discussion thread. I'll edit in my part to the main OP later.
yesSpamton's profile has a few issues at first glance.
Whatever. I just asked a question about where a statement happened where you used the wrong terminology, & you responded with only a correction about the word you erroneously used that I had quoted.ok, we are not here to discuss their gender
As far as I can tell, Kris's profile lacks an explanation for WHY Kris can take physical attacks as attacks on their SOUL. Combined with us knowing the SOUL can leave (Ex: To go to the Susie vs Lancer fight, or to view the Susie & Noelle cutscene & make decisions.), & the stuff about the SOUL having Damage Transferral, it feels weird saying that that ability is Kris's when it's probably just the SOUL damage transferring to Kris.here is Kris profile about It
A reasonable, if mostly off-screen feat that we lack a lot of info about. (Ex: Timeframe.)referring to the end of chapter 1 when he ripped out their soul/The palyer and went to eat Toriel's pie
Yes, Spamton Neo wants the SOUL.Spanton neo talking to Kris in the PR (2:25) fight about needing his soul? And given support that he's talking about the heart-shaped object (I'll refer to this as "player" from here on) as he previously asked the player for kris during his fight next to his dumpster
For clarity's sake, I'll post the text of the book about SOULs here:It's unlikely with how many times it's shown that the Player is their soul, there must be other examples besides Spamton like the books in the library, but I'll now go after answering the rest of your messages
No.Deltarune is certainly at least in the same verse as Undertale,
Quoting the above for Toby said:this is mainly seen in the fact that Sans was there and brought his house from the Undertale universe to Deltarune (this is visible in the fact that the snow on top of his house) so unless you want to make sans be able to travel between different verses i doubt a bit they are both not within the same verse with at least similar rules,
Kris's save file. It can be only viewed by accessing a SAVE point with no save data on ANY of the save files.i don't know about this save file you're talking about that wasn't created by the player, could you show me a video or something about it?
The Player might know of Undertale, but I'm skeptical that makes its SOUL of the same variety, or such.Deltarune actually has close to 0 mentions that its save system is time manipulation, but what sans inside deltarune's universe shows us is that it reminds us (player) which would only be possible if we were the same player who played undertale, this is shown with him making fun of the fact that Kris shouldn't know who he is (perhaps another proof that the player in undertale and deltarune are the same entity and the fact that you can talk about alphys to Undyne in deltarune, 2 characters who shouldn't even know each other, and the player shows himself to just make Kris talk about things he knows, not just any crap, showing that the player in deltarune knows about undertale at least, but this is debatable)
You didn't understand this?: "1. If it's Multiple Minds, how do we know the SOUL isn't just a remotely controlled means of physically controlling Kris that lacks a mind of its own? Their emotions, expressions, & how they execute commands are still their own."1- could you write this point? I think I didn't understood It
I agree that Kris has a mind.2- Kris clearly has a mind, so even without a soul it would still be a form of possession.
No problem.i think some of my arguments must have been considerably confused, sorry about that
Somebody made a Noelle profile already however its very off and needs a lot of clean up and revision, a Queen profile hasnt been made yet thoughAre them Noelle and Queen profiles coming?
I got lucky on my first try and spared him with less than 10 hp for all three charactersHelp spamton neo have kicked my ass to many times
Possibly. Or as a key for a profile for The Delta Warriors. (Which I feel should be a team profile, due to some ACTs involving multiple party members, including Dual Heal & Red Buster.)So does Thrash get its own profile?
I have no idea. There was a Noelle (Deltarune) page, but Noelle probably should have the following:Are them Noelle and Queen profiles coming?
Good luck. Hopefully it doesn't get deleted for being below Profile Standards. No offense; I sincerely mean that, & feel it happens an unfortunate amount.Doing it solo.... and is my first time |:
Doubtful; Not much implies they're bigger than he is, & Noelle says Berdly hit her in the face with a tornado, which would be a bit awkward if the tornado was big enough to affect her whole body.Real question here. Would berdly tornados affect the AP?
I made a sandbox profile for Noelle. I still need a quote for her Dark World tabber and some references to use, but if anyone has any additional suggestions, feel free to propose them.
You mean "Who has already calculated SnowGrave?".Who's gonna calculate snowgrave?
noiceYou mean "Who has already calculated SnowGrave?".
Noelle commits murder
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However.... Unfortunately, no Calculations Group Member has evaluated the calc for either method for the calculation shown in that blog.
Needs evaluations.
You erroneously named Sleep Mist as "Sleeping Mist" in her Powers & Abilities.I made a sandbox profile for Noelle. I still need a quote for her Dark World tabber and some references to use, but if anyone has any additional suggestions, feel free to propose them.
Yeah. Though. it's a temperature-based feat, so the Durability for surviving it & IceShock would be temperature-related Durability, AFAIK, even though Magic in Deltarune is probably a Universal Energy System. So it may be possible other characters COULD achieve similar AP with Snowgrave.... But to use it at all, Noelle had to get stronger (By an Unknown Amount.), like, 20 times, IIRC, & it one-shot Berdly, too.noice
"Leave... Leave Susie ALONE!! You think listening to YOU makes me happy!? No! I'll never be happy! Not if I'm controlled by you! Why can't you understand that!?"I still need a quote for her Dark World tabber and some references to use, but if anyone has any additional suggestions, feel free to propose them.
My mistake, I believe I forgot to ask for evaluation beforehand, I will do so right now.You mean "Who has already calculated SnowGrave?".
Noelle commits murder
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However.... Unfortunately, no Calculations Group Member has evaluated the calc for either method for the calculation shown in that blog.
Needs evaluations.
I dunno if that statement is trustworthy, right after saying he's got thrice the firepower he says he's got twice the waterpower and that doesn't really mean anythingIf Chapter 1 Characters are Wall Level, the late party should be Wall Level+ going off Spamton NEO's statement of having 3x his normal fire power.
I made it an extra key for each character on my personal wiki, see how it looks likePossibly. Or as a key for a profile for The Delta Warriors. (Which I feel should be a team profile, due to some ACTs involving multiple party members, including Dual Heal & Red Buster.)
The chapters 1 are 9-B+ tho shouldnt they be 9-A?If Chapter 1 Characters are Wall Level, the late party should be Wall Level+ going off Spamton NEO's statement of having 3x his normal fire power.