Spirit Circle MASSIVE REVISION: HYPERVERSAL EXPLANATION AND STUFF

[Vietthai96]

that will be revised soon because of the DMC thread

From what i remember about Fujiwara argument, she said higher dimensional object can't exist in lower dimensional realm which is a counter to the 9D soul in 3D body such as human, demon body or weapon like Devil Arm so it not really related to current FAQ, unless i missed something

 

[Vietthai96]

all that stuff got debunked in the thread but she still wanna revise the FAQ

Well, whatever, anyway we should be back at the topic, so i'm in the same side as Planck about likely 1-B, since the scan mention about 28D dimesional plane theory, which probably could just be a theory

 

[Vasco]

From FAQ:

There is none, Vasco. I don't think he is understanding the term's existence at all and seems to be a hater for it.

What does it mean by fully sized, cause according to the same FAQ being large alone isn't enough, or seeing a structure as flat without context is also considered vague.

 

[ImmortalDread]

What does it mean by fully sized, cause according to the same FAQ being large alone isn't enough, or seeing a structure as flat without context is also considered vague.

Not compendious. Infinite and whatnot.

 

[Vietthai96]

What does it mean by fully sized, cause according to the same FAQ being large alone isn't enough, or seeing a structure as flat without context is also considered vague.

depend on contexts of the verse, however usually it is universal in size at least, you can see an example with Low 2-C, as space-time by itself is a 4D structure however only with universal-sized space-time is considering as Low 2-C, because observable universal-sized is considered as significantly large/fully-sized. However small space-time isn't considered to be Low 2-C and is pocket dimension instead

 

[Everything12]

Tier 1 requires, no ifs, buts, or maybes, qualitative superiority or an equivalent. The higher dimension must be proven to have an unquantifiable superiority over the lower one that is equal to a reality-fiction relationship or uncountable infinity.

1-C: Complex Multiverse level​

Characters or objects that can universally affect, create and/or destroy spaces whose size corresponds to three to five higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model. In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 7 and 9-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 7 to R ^ 9)

A: Qualitative superiority, also sometimes called being qualitatively greater, is a term colloquially used to mean that something is superior to an extend that it justifies being on a higher tier of infinity in terms of our Tiering System than the thing they are superior to. That means a character qualitatively superior to the usual spacetime continuum would, for example, be Low Complex Multiverse level (Tier Low 1-C) at the level represented by the R^5. Someone qualitatively superior to that would have the same tier, but on the higher level of infinity represented by the R^6 and someone qualitatively superior to that level would be baseline Complex Multiverse level (Tier 1-C).
In the same vein a space being qualitatively superior to another space, means that destroying that space would land you on a higher level of infinity in the Tiering System than destroying the space it is superior to.
In rough terms it means as much as being "more than countably infinite times greater in power or size".

 

[Vasco]

infinite

Not compendious. Infinite and whatnot.

Still size is just a factor when considering qualitative superiority not just size alone grants qualitative superiority alone.

depend on contexts of the verse, however usually it is universal in size at least, you can see an example with Low 2-C, as space-time by itself is a 4D structure however only with universal-sized space-time is considering as Low 2-C, because observable universal-sized is considered as significantly large/fully-sized. However small space-time isn't considered to be Low 2-C and is pocket dimension instead

Still just being large alone without context ain't proof of qualitative superiority.

 

[YungManzi]

What qualifies as significantly large and fully sized?
If this is true why isn't 26D Ben 10 accepted? I also seem to recall ID having a statement for someone who can travel through a 4th spatial axis and it still wasn't accepted. All i see here is double standards

Yeah, ID has a 4th dimension below time that when accessed by 3D people essentially makes them lesser gods.

As to why it was removed/wasn't accepted?

I would suggest going with the official translation since it is more accurate. The Abyss seems too vague to be Low 1-C. The space appears orthogonal to 3-D space, so there is doubt that it existed perpendicular to the 4-D spacetime. Thus, there are doubts that the place is a valid Low 1-C, from my offline discussion with Ultima, Aeyu, and Derp Idol.

So basically, it's called a dimension along with time but might not really be a dimension? idk.

 

[Vietthai96]

Still size is just a factor when considering qualitative superiority not just size alone grants qualitative superiority alone.

tiering system is exactly about size

 

[Planck69]

Still size is just a factor when considering qualitative superiority not just size alone grants qualitative superiority alone.

Still just being large alone without context ain't proof of qualitative superiority.

Heh, no. When it comes to strictly mathematical dimensions, one just needs to prove size or in this case, the lengths of the spatial axes in question. That "qualitative superiority higher layers" whatever is when your dealing with planes of existence that should prove to have ontological superiority to each other.

 

[Vasco]

tiering system is exactly about size

Size alone isn't enough for qualitative superiority, you need to prove higher levels of infinity.

Heh, no. When it comes to strictly mathematical dimensions, one just needs to prove size or in this case, the lengths of the spatial axes in question. That "qualitative superiority higher layers" whatever is when your dealing with planes of existence that should prove to have ontological superiority to each other.

I get with mathematical dimensions but simply saying a dimension is bigger than another isn't enough for qualitative superiority.

E.g infinitely larger than a universe could just be 2-A, with proof of qualitative superiority it could be Low 1-C.

 

[Vietthai96]

Size alone isn't enough for qualitative superiority, you need to prove higher levels of infinity.

higher levels of infinity, is bigger size bro, set theory is a thing

E.g infinitely larger than a universe could just be 2-A, with proof of qualitative superiority it could be Low 1-C

2-A still, in a sense, bigger than Low 2-C, unless you want to argue that 2-A = Low 2-C

 

[ImmortalDread]

2-A still, in a sense, bigger than Low 2-C, unless you want to argue that 2-A = Low 2-C

2-A and low 2-C are the same size. The only difference is the amount.

 

[Planck69]

Size alone isn't enough for qualitative superiority, you need to prove higher levels of infinity.

I get with mathematical dimensions but simply saying a dimension is bigger than another isn't enough for qualitative superiority.

E.g infinitely larger than a universe could just be 2-A, with proof of qualitative superiority it could be Low 1-C.

......What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with mathematical dimensions in the sense the tiering system uses them.

For a 17 dimensional universe to be 1-B, you just have to prove that the dimensions extend across all of it, and so on.

 

[Vasco]

higher levels of infinity, is bigger size bro, set theory is a thing

When talking about dimensions size is a factor but there needs to be prove of qualitative superiority not just size alone, a construct can contain other construct and still be the same dimensional level with the structures in it doesn't necessarily mean it's higher dimensional just cause it's bigger, even the wiki FAQ acknowledges simply seeing a structure as flat isn't proof of qualitative superiority.

......What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with mathematical dimensions in the sense the tiering system uses them.

For a 17 dimensional universe to be 1-B, you just have to prove that the dimensions extend across all of it, and so on.

I'm not talking about mathematical dimensions or the OP, I'm simply having a friendly chat with @Vietthai96 about how size alone don't grant higher tiers.

 

[Vasco]

. If the dimension is significantly large, fully-sized then it is qualify, no need qualitative superior,

This is what I'm talking about.

 

[RitsuØ1]

Dude. You are just copying profiles from another site again with you just paraphrasing sentences…

 

[ImmortalDread]

Dude. You are just copying profiles from another site again with you just paraphrasing sentences…

Mind drop the evidence?

 

[RitsuØ1]

Mind drop the evidence?

Yeah. Sure.

Source: https://all-fiction-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Fortuna?so=search

1-B
Able to utilize Spirit Circle to collect the observing energy of souls from other worlds that sustain the multiverse

thus causing the complete destruction of the universes adjacent to the spacetime values at the next moment. In return, the very existence of Fortuna becomes equivalent to everything that have disappeared,

witch would include the countless spiritual dimensions

as large as the material world

The extra-dimensional space and all other 28 possibly dimensions that structure it

Was to use the Spirit Circle to collect the observing energy of souls from different universes that support and sustain the multiverse, thus causing the total annihilation and destruction of the universes Adjacent the space-time values at the following second. Consequently, the very existence of Fortuna becomes equivalent to everything that have disappeared, which would include the countless spiritual dimension that has additional axis/higher dimension and as large as the material world, a non-linear time of souls, a transcendental subspace that allows endlessly canceling the incoming force and all other 28 possibly dimensions that structure it

Immeasurable Speed
Souls exist outside and are not bound by linear time, beyond heavens river.

Souls exist outside and is unbounded by the linear of time beyond the Heaven's river

Note: This is like the 5th time @Robo is trying to copy paste profiles' justifications from another wiki without permission, like he did with Seekers Into The Mystery which was also created from another wiki which @Robo was also trying to rip-off.

 

[ImmortalDread]

It seems a copy and pasted from attack potency justification.

 

[RitsuØ1]

Speed too.

 

[Everything12]

I've read through the whole manga now, so using that knowledge to expand on the scans being used here.

• There is no evidence that the spiritual dimensions are superior instead of parallel. No evidence of qualitative superiority or equivalent.
• Souls that have died exit the flow of time and can reincarnate in the past or parallel universe, but no one's speed or reactions scale to this. Pretty much it's a form of time travel, not speed.

 

[Deceived3596]

You literally copied and pasted Fortuna's exact Immeasurable speed reasoning from the All Fiction Profile onto your OP and didn't give credit....

You aren't "just adding scans" in that specific instance. You're adding a rating, and using the exact same reasoning for said rating from an entirely different site without giving credit to said site.

Just give credit when you do this bruh, it would solve everything....

 

[Reiner04]

Got ninja'd by Planck

Planck also said the same thing what dread was saying. Qualitative superiority doesn't needed to be "proved" in case of axiomatic Dimensions when those Dimensions aren't compactified is proved already, as in that case, they'll be qualitative superior by default not that they won't have it. Qualitative superiority is must for tier 1.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Planck also said the same thing what dread was saying. Qualitative superiority doesn't needed to be "proved" in case of axiomatic Dimensions when those Dimensions aren't compactified is proved already, as in that case, they'll be qualitative superior by default not that they won't have it. Qualitative superiority is must for tier 1.

what do you mean by "not compactified"

 

[Reiner04]

what do you mean by "not compactified"

In a string theory, more particularly in a super string theory, Extra 6 dimensions of space (calabi yay manifolds) are compactified at every point in the 4 Dimensional universe at plancks length and so are smaller than 4 Dimensional universe.

 

[Reiner04]

Anyway, seems direction in said manga aren't compactified as they hold the coordinates of parallel universes (can't be small), I agree.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Anyway, seems direction in said manga aren't compactified as they hold the coordinates of parallel universes (can't be small), I agree.

so basically, if a work has any nth dimensional statement with no cosmology but is at least of standard universal size, it's okay to give them that tier?

 

[Reiner04]

so basically, if a work has any nth dimensional statement with no cosmology but is at least of standard universal size, it's okay to give them that tier?

Not really equal or atleast to universal size but just that they're not shown to be not smaller or limited to just universe size. You see, like bigger than 2A directly means uncountable infinite times bigger than 2A w/o any elaboration? Just same case here

 

[Tatsumi504]

Not really equal or atleast to universal size but just that they're not shown to be not smaller or limited to just universe size. You see, like bigger than 2A directly means uncountable infinite times bigger than 2A w/o any elaboration? Just same case here

bruh, then what makes ben 10 different

 

[Reiner04]

bruh, then what makes ben 10 different

Tbh, I dunno the exact reason. They're not compactified is given, higher dimensional beings aren't really treated in the verse as inferior to lower Dimensional ones in any way but, the rule is there and every time it will be brought up debate will end with the demand for "Qualitative superiority". So... Just a ****** verse and I wasn't there at that time to defend the downgrade. Rules exist now and nothing can be done.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Tbh, I dunno the exact reason. They're not compactified is given, higher dimensional beings aren't really treated in the verse as inferior to lower Dimensional ones in any way but, the rule is there and every time it will be brought up debate will end with the demand for "Qualitative superiority". So... Just a ****** verse and I wasn't there at that time to defend the downgrade. Rules exist now and nothing can be done.

Time to remove the rule. revise the FAQ

 

[Vietthai96]

Planck also said the same thing what dread was saying. Qualitative superiority doesn't needed to be "proved" in case of axiomatic Dimensions when those Dimensions aren't compactified is proved already, as in that case, they'll be qualitative superior by default not that they won't have it. Qualitative superiority is must for tier 1.

No, Dread actually said that qualitative superior is a must or something similar and said i do not understand about tiering system

what do you mean by "not compactified"

Compactified mean the dimensional axes rather fully-sized in length, is extremely small in size and curved up on each other

 

[Reiner04]

No, Dread actually said that qualitative superior is a must

It is.

 

[Vietthai96]

 

[Pedonar]

Since Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer are connected to spirit circle, doesn't that mean when Animus destroys the Earth, it will disturb the balance of the Heaven's River? And isn't that why space-time is destroyed? If yes, doesn't it mean he should be get Tier 1 or at least Tier 2 environmental destruction, depending on how you treat the space-time or Heaven’s River

 

[Pedonar]

bro....let this this thread die please

This time its about Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer : )

 

[Robo432343]

This time its about Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer : )

no bruh PLEASE talk about this in another thread
you cant talk in necro threads

 

[Pedonar]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/about...scuit-hammer-ability-fix-and-question.157774/