Ben 10: Update, Fixing and Additions part 7

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Spoiler: Anodite Abilities

Anodite Physiology:
Abilities:

Infinite stamina: As an incorporeal beings made of pure energy, he is unbound from any kind of physical or biological need, including rest, and with the assurance that their energy is enough to fill an entire world with pure energy.

Existence Erasure: Can erase object with a thought.

Remove:

Accelerated Development: Training, Physical Statistics & Intelligence; By having effective training, the Anodite gets stronger and more experience in controlling their power.

This should be removed, as this does not prove that they learn more quickly than ordinary people
Verdona:

Massively FTL+ (Comparable to Jetray, who stated to be faster than anyone which means it should superior to XLR8, Fasttrack, Big Chill and Chromastone.)

Gwen Tennyson:
Base:
P&A:

Abilities and Hax:

• Flight (Levitation - Shown here. Via Mana - Can fly in air using her Cosmic Mana/Anodite energy [Idk if this considered as a flight])
• Platform Creation (Shown here)
• Vehicular Mastery (Land Vehicles - Shown here)
• Ice Manipulation (Demonstrated by Future Gwen)
• Restoration (Possibly Physical Restoration - Demonstrated by Verdona. Energy Restoration - Can replenish Kevin's life energy. Can restore Darkstar's powers.)
• Danmaku (Shown here)
• Forcefield Creation Negation (Can nullifies Hex's armor spell)
• Immortality (Type 1 - Considering that she is an Anodite, she is not bound by age[2])
• Acausality (Type 1 - Gwen was not affected by the time shift as when she caused the timeline shift, and she was not affected by the shift[6]. Being an Anodite, Gwen are lack laws of time. Professor Paradox stated that Anodite are outside temporal conventions)
• Avatar Creation (Gwen's body is merely an avatar his spirit, to interact with the physical world[2])
• Chi Manipulation (She can release a great deal of energy, which is described as emanating from within her. She can sense her inner energy of people)
• Non-Physical Interaction (Space-Time & Spaces - Can interact with barrier of space-time. Abstract Existence [Type 2 {Fundamental}] - Gwen can affect Alpha Rune, which is the secret true name of mana and even source of mana a fundamental force of universe, and if he gets destroyed/or disappeared, Legerdomain would be destroyed, and he has control over abstraction.)
• Absorption Negation (Magic, Soul, Dimensional, Life-Energy and Powers - Gwen's mana shield can protect anyone inside them from being lose his mana by Darkstar's absorption)

Resistance:

• Absorption (Magic, Soul, Dimensional, Life-Energy and Powers - Her mana are unaffected by Darkstar's absorption)
• Biological Manipulation, Law Manipulation & Physics Manipulation (Being an made of mana, Gwen are lack laws, physics and DNA)
• Heat & Cold (Paradox gives Gwen a resistance to heat and cold[11])

Magical Equipment:

• Dimensional Storage (Via Charmcaster's bag; can fit a lot of items in her bag even if their far larger than the bag itself.)

Gwen has displayed more evidence for many abilities and feats, those being:

• Information Analysis: Can read aure of people to detect lies.
• Memory Manipulation/Erasure: Comparable to Future Gwen, who can erased young Gwen and Ben's memories.
• Acrobatics:
  • Self-Momentum: Able to do a backflip twice.
  • All-Terrain Mobility: Able to dodging multiple lasers in air.
• Greatly Expert Martial Artist: She is expert martial artist. She stated that she has three years of cotillion experience and nine years of judo experience[2].
• Class P: Could hold up a shield against Looma's attack

Updated:
Travel Speed, Attack Speed and Flight speed:

• Fast enough comparable to Ultimate Kevin.
• Comparable to Verdona, who is comparable to Jetray.
• Gwen (using full speed) can blitz Base Kevin
• Her mana blast can blitz Ultimate Kevin.

So Gwen has R/C/A/T/F speed of Massively FTL+ and should be remove Athletic Human.
OS Gwen LS with mana upgrade:

Class K with mana (Could resisted Terroranchula, who superior to Feedback.)

Spoiler: Omnitrix and Clockwork Upgrade

Omnitrix:
Attack Potency & Range

Complex Multiverse level, likely Hyperverse level via self-destruction (If users let the charge build up for a few days, it will destroy the universe)

Several Meters with Scan Mode, Galactic range with DNA Recombination, Complex Multiversal, likely Hyperversal with Self-Destruct Mode | Hyperversal

The Universe is considered 6-D, likely 25-D, not 2-A
Speed Attack (possibly?)
This shouldn't be Immeasurable speed considering it blows up the entire Universe including the Timestreams (past, present and future):

Immeasurable attack speed with its fully charged self-destruct mode (Can make a energy explosion to destroy entire Universe) and Immeasurable reaction and transformation speed via failsafe (Reacted to Annihilarrgh's energy Wave which could span accross the Universe's Hypertimeline with sheer expansion)

Durability and Resistance

Resistance to Existence Erasure, Deconstruction, Soul Destruction, Time Manipulation & Spatial Manipulation (History [6-D] - Unaffected by Chronosapien Time Bomb's explosion, which can ripple timestream that can destroy infinitely branching space-time continuums along with their individual history, including anodite)

Low Complex Multiverse level (Unaffected by Chronosapien Time Bomb's explosion)

Invulnerability Negation

Invulnerability Negation (Can destroy Pumpkins monsters, which can't affected by anything non-magical)

Clockwork:
P&A and Range

Time Manipulation & Spatial Manipulation ([6-D] Can created ripple in the timestream when using his powers)

Standard Melee Range, Complex Multiversal with Abilities and Time Manipulation (When he reversed the effect of the Chronosapien Time Bomb, his beam covered the entire Earth and then proceeded to restore the multiverse to its former state. His powers can ripple timestream.)

Spoiler: X

More proof for Non-Physical Interaction:

Non-Physical Interaction (Aura - Can interact with Galactic Gladiator's aura.)

P&A:

Mana Manipulation (Stated to be capable of controls living things)

Information Manipulation (Type 2 - Can change the nature of mana, a fundamental forces of the universe and make up everything in the universe like Data, Dimensional, Souls, Energy, and Magic.)

More proof for Technology Manipulation and will become non-limited (I don't means infinite)

Technology Manipulation (1 layer - Superior to Mana powers, which can control technology.)

1 layer was previously accepted

Agree: @ActuallySpaceMan42 (No comment on Acausality), @DarkDragonMedeus (Same opinion as Spaceman)
Disagree: @ActuallySpaceMan42 (infinite stamina)
Neutral:

 

[GeneralSol16]

I agree with the Omnitrix"s durability and Clockwork's uogfade.

Disagree with the AP upgrade for the Omnitrix, and neutral on the Anodites stuff.

 

[DemonicDude]

Existence Erasure: Can erase object with a thought.

Eh no.
When you make an object disappear in that fashion it's that's just magic or Deconstruction you'd have to prove that object is erased from every timeline.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Eh no.
When you make an object disappear in that fashion it's that's just magic or Deconstruction you'd have to prove that object is erased from every timeline.

I've seen this on A.M.A.Z.O.N. (DCAU) profile and Zatanna profile.

Existence Erasure (Can erase things and people by making them completely disappear in a burst of sparks. Demonstrated this offensively on a Lex Luthor robot)

• Existence Erasure (Erased missiles with a thought)

 

[ByArrow]

Eh no.
When you make an object disappear in that fashion it's that's just magic or Deconstruction you'd have to prove that object is erased from every timeline.

You do not need to prove that it has been erased from every timeline for EE.

 

[ByArrow]

Agree with Anodite stuff (except EE), Clockwork upgrade and Omntrix’s AP upgrade.

I am not sure about the speed upgrade of Omnitrix. I think infinite speed works better.

I neutral with Omnitrix's durability and resistances.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Agree with everything regarding Gwen's additional abilities, except for infinite stamina and Immortality. Verdona admits that they are gonna drain her energy dry and I'd consider manipulating one's age to be age manipulation.

You might wanna include that Azmuth said the 'whole universe' would've been destroyed while being fully aware of the Universe in it's entirety and space beyond it. Disagree on invulnerability negation, this could just be AP.

Neutral on X's information manipulation. Agree on needing a different explanation regarding his mana manipulation, but should be said more along the lines of "Mana Manipulation via Reality Warping - Stated to be able to change all of Mana by altering reality/universe". Disagree on his technology manipulation description, it should be "Technology Manipulation - Pervented Ben from detransforming with the Omnitrix, likely superior to Gwen who could manipulate various different types of technology".

Omnipotence in B10 is currently accepted has having superior AP to all the beings in it. If the Omnipotence has solid grounds to refer to all inverse abilities then CPs should have all the abilities/superior abilities then all the inverse abilities.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Agree with everything regarding Gwen's additional abilities, except for infinite stamina and Immortality. Verdona admits that they are gonna drain her energy dry and I'd consider manipulating one's age to be age manipulation.

1- She said that they will use her as a source of energy, and she did not say that they will drain her energy completely.
2 - This is not Age Manipulation. She chooses her age and never grows older, and this is accepted.

Disagree on invulnerability negation, this could just be AP.

Charmcaster literally pointed out that Pumpkins monsters are only affected by Magic not by higher powers.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Agree on needing a different explanation regarding his mana manipulation, but should be said more along the lines of "Mana Manipulation via Reality Warping - Stated to be able to change all of Mana by altering reality/universe".

This is limited Mana Manipulation

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

1- She said that they will use her as a source of energy, and she did not say that they will drain her energy completely.

Verdona still said that they will drain her dry. And the Sinthiod implied that she would die by saying that 'What is one compared to the lives of entire planet'.

2 - This is not Age Manipulation. She chooses her age and never grows older, and this is accepted.

Understandable. Have a nice day.

Charmcaster literally pointed out that Pumpkins monsters are only affected by Magic not by higher powers.

Not any higher power. Likely just power comparable to them.

This is limited Mana Manipulation

No. He has full control over mana, just via an alternative method. Like a kid having a remote controlled car. He has full control over the car, just via his remote. There's no limitations regarding how X can use Mana, it's just through the usage of his Reality Warping.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Verdona still said that they will drain her dry. And the Sinthiod implied that she would die by saying that 'What is one compared to the lives of entire planet'.

She means until she loses her energy, she didn't mean her life, she is ultimately able to regain it because mana users don't lose all their energy. This doesn't prove that she will die, he means what is better than the life of one of his people, he means that his people are more important than Verdona.

Not any higher power. Likely just power comparable to them.

It literally states here that Pumpkins are not affected by non-magical and this is still invulnerability negation.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

No. He has full control over mana, just via an alternative method. Like a kid having a remote controlled car. He has full control over the car, just via his remote. There's no limitations regarding how X can use Mana, it's just through the usage of his Reality Warping.

I will not use this because this is at best Limited Mana Manipulation and I did not mean that he has Limited Mana Manipulation, I mean is that this is Reality Warping and not Mana Manipulation.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

She means until she loses her energy, she didn't mean her life, she is ultimately able to regain it because mana users don't lose all their energy. This doesn't prove that she will die, he means what is better than the life of one of his people, he means that his people are more important than Verdona.

Then I'm Neutral. As that's typically how stamina works. You run, lose stamina, get tired, rest, regain stamina and then you run again.

It literally states here that Pumpkins are not affected by non-magical and this is still invulnerability negation.

OK. That's how invulnerability usually works. I agree.

I will not use this because this is at best Limited Mana Manipulation and I did not mean that he has Limited Mana Manipulation, I mean is that this is Reality Warping and not Mana Manipulation.

No the way he manipulates Mana has no limitations. Paradox as MultiSteller LS via his spacetime manipulation and the Chrono Navigator has status effect inducement via time manipulation. By no way is his Mana manipulation limited simply by using an alternate ability. And the new reason doesn't make much sense as one can control living things without necessarily affecting life energy itself. Doesn't X already have Mana manipulation?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Doesn't X already have Mana manipulation?

It was removed

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

It was removed

Why?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Why?

Thread 'Hax Removal from Alien X (Ben 10)'

Dec 18, 2024

• Information Manipulation (Type 2; Alien X can change/manipulate mana, which is fundamental of the universe and can allow characters to rewrite the world to their whims and change reality, laws, data, dimensions, causality and history, often by programming it much like they would a virtual reality.)

This uses a leading question, additionally the answer is literally "No they cannot manipulate mana directly".

• Power Bestowal (Ben does not need oxygen in the pocket...

• ShionAH
• alien x ben 10 (classic) ben 10 (verse)
• Replies: 47
• Forum: Content Revision

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[Celestial_Scaler25]

Thread 'Hax Removal from Alien X (Ben 10)'

Dec 18, 2024

• Information Manipulation (Type 2; Alien X can change/manipulate mana, which is fundamental of the universe and can allow characters to rewrite the world to their whims and change reality, laws, data, dimensions, causality and history, often by programming it much like they would a virtual reality.)

This uses a leading question, additionally the answer is literally "No they cannot manipulate mana directly".

• Power Bestowal (Ben does not need oxygen in the pocket...

• ShionAH
• alien x ben 10 (classic) ben 10 (verse)
• Replies: 47
• Forum: Content Revision

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Mana Manipulation wasn't even discussed. Still say "via Reality Warping" is a better option but I do agree that he has Mana Manipulation.

 

[DemonicDude]

Where are clips of Verdona's dialogues ? record and post them here for proper evaluation

 

[DemonicDude]

You do not need to prove that it has been erased from every timeline for EE.

Wouldn't the existence erasure then only be limited to objects like these then? or in debates we can assume that any person would be erased from the existence if it's used.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Wouldn't the existence erasure then only be limited to objects like these then? or in debates we can assume that any person would be erased from the existence if it's used.

Don't see why there's a difference between erasing an object and erasing a person. Reasonably it would just be limited to physical objects, so anyone with LG Regeneration can counter it.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

• Infinite stamina: As an incorporeal beings made of pure energy, he is unbound from any kind of physical or biological need, including rest, and with the assurance that their energy is enough to fill an entire world with pure energy.
  • I don't feel this is good enough evidence for infinite stamina, Superhuman yes, but not infinite.
• Vehicular Mastery (Land Vehicles - Shown here)
  • Not impressive enough for the ability.
• Acausality (Type 1 - Gwen was not affected by the time shift as when she caused the timeline shift, and she was not affected by the shift[6]. Being an Anodite, Gwen are lack laws of time. Professor Paradox stated that Anodite are outside temporal conventions)
  • Disagree. He doesn't state she's outside of temporal conventions, he says she thinks outside of them.
• Biological Manipulation, Law Manipulation & Physics Manipulation (Being an made of mana, Gwen are lack laws, physics and DNA)
  • From what I'm seeing, it's never stated that Anodites are made of mana, just energy. It's stated they can control mana, and life energy though.
• Information Analysis: Can read aure of people to detect lies.
  • Extrasensory Perception, no information is being analyzed here, just aura.
• Information Manipulation (Type 2 - Can change the nature of mana, a fundamental forces of the universe and make up everything in the universe like Data, Dimensional, Souls, Energy, and Magic.)
  • Not how Information Type 2 works.

Everything else seems fine from a glance.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

• Acausality (Type 1 - Gwen was not affected by the time shift as when she caused the timeline shift, and she was not affected by the shift[6]. Being an Anodite, Gwen are lack laws of time. Professor Paradox stated that Anodite are outside temporal conventions)
  • Disagree. He doesn't state she's outside of temporal conventions, he says she thinks outside of them.

Shouldn't the lack of impact from a change in the timeline be considered Acausality Type 1? We can use the first argument.

• Biological Manipulation, Law Manipulation & Physics Manipulation (Being an made of mana, Gwen are lack laws, physics and DNA)
  • From what I'm seeing, it's never stated that Anodites are made of mana, just energy. It's stated they can control mana, and life energy though.

Mana is energy (And it is said that it is also magic)

Life Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Dimensional Manipulation & Magic: Any sapient species can potentially learn to manipulate mana, a life energy, soul and higher-dimensional flow that permeates all of nature and serves as the substance of magic[1].

Also, Anodite is made of magic/mana

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Shouldn't the lack of impact from a change in the timeline be considered Acausality Type 1? We can use the first argument.

I'm not even sure what the reference is linking to since I don't know Ben 10.

Mana is energy (And it is said that it is also magic)

That's fine then.

Also, Anodite is made of magic/mana

That's fine then.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

I'm not even sure what the reference is linking to since I don't know Ben 10.

I think he was referring to this scene. The link took you to the wrong video. Future Gwen erases all of past Gwen's memories to perfent her from changing the future. But despite the changes that were made to the future Future Gwen always remained unchanged.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I think he was referring to this scene. The link took you to the wrong video. Future Gwen erases all of past Gwen's memories to perfent her from changing the future. But despite the changes that were made to the future Future Gwen always remained unchanged.

Does Ben 10 work on branching timelines? Like doing something to your past self results in a parallel future?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I'm not even sure what the reference is linking to since I don't know Ben 10.

Here (She still remember events of before and after change in a timeline)

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Does Ben 10 work on branching timelines? Like doing something to your past self results in a parallel future?

Yeh. It's even shown on the Cosmo page.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Yeh. It's even shown on the Cosmo page.

Then affecting her past self, wouldn't affect her though, cause it just creates a branch.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Does Ben 10 work on branching timelines? Like doing something to your past self results in a parallel future?

Maybe no, bc in Time Heals, it was didn't mention that Gwen caused the creation of another timeline and even Paradox himself pointed out that individual timeline had changed

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Yeh. It's even shown on the Cosmo page.

This is The Branching Timestream not in The Invincible Timeline?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Then affecting her past self, wouldn't affect her though, cause it just creates a branch.

What about Magic/Mana itself not being affected? Is this enough to prove Acausality Type 1 since it is mentioned that Magic/Mana still remembers events before and after Timeline was changed, so it should be Gwen has Acausality Type 1 as she are made of magic/mana.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

What about Magic/Mana itself not being affected? Is this enough to prove Acausality Type 1 since it is mentioned that Magic still remembers events before and after Timeline was changed?

Idk why you phrased it as if the magic was sentient. Someone used magic to figure out that time shenanigans where going on.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Idk why you phrased it as if the magic was sentient. Someone used magic to figure out that time shenanigans where going on.

It is literally conscious, for example Alpha Rune.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

It is literally conscious, for example Alpha Rune.

Yeah but he didn't say the magic spoke to me, he said he used magic to figure something out.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Yeah but he didn't say the magic spoke to me, he said he used magic to figure something out.

In the same context, he said that The Individual Timeline has been changed, but he did not say that another Timeline has been created (there is a difference between Timeline and Timestream).

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

• Information Manipulation (Type 2 - Can change the nature of mana, a fundamental forces of the universe and make up everything in the universe like Data, Dimensional, Souls, Energy, and Magic.)
  • Not how Information Type 2 works.

Everything else seems fine from a glance.

Does is enough to prove information manipulation (Type 1)?

 

[ShionAH]

Its not Type 1 nor is it Mana Manipulation since its a leading question, its against the rules

Time Bomb is only 5D according to the profile so Omnitrix would have 5D resistancs

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Time Bomb is only 5D according to the profile so Omnitrix would have 5D resistancs

6-D is for Time Manipulation and Spatial Manipulation resistances lol