They’re literally referred to as the same thing, you’re asserting that it’s a “physical” barrier.
they litterally aren't tho? like, have you read the OP? the entire of the first section is to explain there isn't any dimensional barrier separating the Afterlife from the living world
"and only separated by a "barrier engraved with a strange design"
Engraved meaning to cut something in a material physically, aka the barrier separating them has to be physical to be able to be "engraved" upon"
you didn't answered this in any moment, you just said "the guide is talking about dimensional barrier like the ROSAT one" when an entire point in the OP is to explain how that is not the case, if you had covered it it would be 1 thing, but you just.......ignored the explanation completely
I don’t know what you mean by that, but I’m saying that the dimensional barrier concept in the manga is talked about in the guides. It’s just called a dimensional barrier, not the “RoSaT” barrier.
and i am saying that it isn't, that is the point of contention, the Afterlife barrier is clearly physical, with me giving explanation for such, you are not covering said explanations, you are just affirming that they are the same while ignoring it completely
The scan says that it doesn’t belong to any of the worlds depicted in figure 1, but exists between them.
the scan doesn't say that last part, and the first part doesn't say "worlds" it says "world" aka "it doesn't belong anywhere in the world that is depicted in Fig 1" aka "it doesn't belong to the macrocosm"
you are also somehow ignoring the other statements about that say that more clearly, like this one "どの世界にも属さない"/"That which doesn't
belong to the world" since the in between the realms is obviously part of the world/macrocosm, then it is verbatim said that the subspace and such doesn't belong there/isn't part of it
a problem i have been seeing is you just talking about 1 scan instead of the entire point, with you also ignoring the other points or the entire premise without covering it at all, if you are going to answer this, then please re read the OP again and cover everything from it, it makes debating here easier, both for you and me
I literally showed you a translation by Executor that explains this point.
which is the same one i am using
That it’s detached and and doesn’t belong to any of the worlds in figure 1, but that it exists between them.
that last part? never said in the scans at all, regardless of the straight statement that it doesn't belong to the world, period, no "fig 1", regardless of that, none of the scans say or even imply that it is in between the realms of the macrocosm
the fact that the Afterlife is physically connected to the living world should be proof that it isn't
The manga shows us a dimensional barrier, that gets distorted and it leads them back to the Living World. In the guides, it tells us about the same barrier that separates the afterlife and living universe.
it doesn't, that is like, the entire point
The proof is in the statements provided, you keep going on about this “physical” barrier, and I have no clue what you’re implying with that.
a literal physical wall, since that is how it is implied to be, not a "dimensional wall" just a physical one, that is the point of the explanation that you somehow didn't understood even when i explained how that is the point verbatim
I assume you’re trying to say it’s a 3D barrier, but you’d have to be the one to prove that.
i did in the OP, that is the entire point of that section even
My guy, the statement literally talks about a barrier, there is no mention of a “physical” wall.
physical barrier = physical wall, at least in the way i am using the word, and yes there is mentions about the wall/barrier that shows that it is physical, you can check it in the OP you know
Also, I would love to see this scan of Beerus claiming that the afterlife and living universe are connected 3 dimensionally.
again.........have you read the OP at all?
"as Whis' technique to go from Beerus' planet(Inside the universe) to the afterlife takes 26 minutes, but to go from Beerus' planet to another point in the universe(Earth) takes 35 minutes, which would be weird if the Afterlife is another space time/dimension. How can 2 points in the same space be further apart than a place that isn't in the same space at all? Sustaining this more, Beerus and Whis even
say that Earth is "not too far away" from the Otherworld, and that it takes mere 3 minutes of travel to reach Earth from there."
like......it really feels like you didn't
We do, Buu makes a hole in the dimensional barrier with his chi and he makes a hole that leaves back to the living universe, Gotenks does the same thing. The guides also support this sentiment.
this proves that it separates the ROSAT from the living world, which i am saying that isn't part of the macrocosm to begin with...........but how about you answer my question? which proof is there that this dimensional barrier is what separates the Living World from the Afterlife? you didn't presented proof of that here
the barrier separating them has to be physical to be able to engraved upon, which the one in the ROSAT can't since it isn't physical to begin with
Ultima explains Buu breaking through the dimensional barrier, and how the outside space technique was an amplified version of it.
He uses an analogy of planes of existence to explain why Buu making a hole in the dimensional barrier allowed him to go to the living universe, as it represented the fabric of space-time. This exact sequence happens in the manga as well, excluding the outside space technique. The RoSaT is never stated to be outside of U7 it’s an area of subspace.
it is said to not be, alongside with Subspace not being part of the world, regardless of that, it is also never said to be part of the macrocosm to begin with, so you would have to prove that as well
The subspace is what is between the macrocosm, as Executor told us before. Also, the Broly statement literally tells us that messing with the dimensional barrier affects space-time.
that isn't in any of the scans at all, one even say that it doesn't belong in the world/macrocosm at all, how about instead of just saying "this guys said this" how about you show me, IN THE SCANS, where such information is said?
You missed my point, can a 3D object be left or right to another 3D object. The answer is yes even though a 3D object introduces the directions of up and down it still keeps left and right from a 2D line.
point is, Space Times are not in any of these other directions, they are stranded in the 5th axis direction, these other directions can exist, space times just do not occupy them
besides if you are arguing that the Subspace is what separates the Afterlife from the Living World.......then this statement makes even less sense as the Subspace wouldn't have dimensionality/an axis to being with, making any notion of "up and down" or direction non existent to begin with, making the statement even more contradictory for the 2 realms to not be physically separated
I’m using that same analogy here. The The 5D axis is what separates the space-times. You have to show me the Beerus statement, but I’m assuming the statement is that it wouldn’t take that long with Whis’ method of travel which doesn’t contradict space-time separation, but I’ll wait until you post that scan.
.......the scan is in the OP........honest question, have you read it at all?
Yes, the 5D axis is a spatial one, I was referring to the space-times themselves. They would have a temporal one. Another direction from their spatial ones.
ok? what is the pint you are making?
Again, what do you mean by physical? If you mean that’s it implies its 3D, no it doesn’t imply that. Hermetical can have multiple definitions, but even if you choose this one something being tight wouldn’t contradict the space-time separation from the subspace.
.........you legit read the "hermetically" point without reading the engraved one?
regardless, no, hermetically means a type of physical seal, that is its meaning, nothing in the scan implies any other meaning than that, which is supported by the immediate earlier statement that indicates that it is a physical barrier/wall that separates the afterlife, not a dimensional one like the ROSAT
I said that the terminology doesn’t matter, but it’s stated to be between dimensions which would make them dimensions if it wasn’t already self evident.
no it wouldn't................it just means that the Subspace is in between dimensions, it doesn't prove that any of the realms that it isn't to separate are dimensions, nothing about the other realms is ever said in the statement of it being in between dimensions, you are drawing this conclusion form nothing
It’s never stated to be a physical wall, this is the same dimensional barrier that when effected distorts space-time as we see in the Broly movie. I don’t know why you keep mentioning a physical wall.
already covered the physical barrier part above, so now i ask, prove this, if you want to affirm that they are the same even when both have completely different descriptions and contradictory ones from one another at that, you will need some serious proof
I’m saying that even above 3D structures there’s a distance between 2 things even space-times. Like there’s a distance between 2 space-times, but we’d accept it as an unquantifiable distance. Though I’m not saying that there’s some random distance that’s implied, I’m just mentioning how even if I were to accept that point it wouldn’t really contradict space-time separation either way.
......my dude, the kaioshin realm point wasn't about the distance itself alone, it was about how said distance is said to be, how its separation is said to be like, you saying "being far doesn't disprove a space time" is not answering the point at all..........i am still flabbergasted, it doesn't look like you read the OP at all
It’s a special type of movement that’s introduced after the guides, it doesn’t contradict the fact that you would normally need teleportation.
that doesn't matter, the scan says "you need teleportation" one can get there without teleportation, therefore it is contradicted, regardless of other abilities that Whis has with Warp, it doesn't matter for the fact that it isn't teleportation, the scans is not "you normally need TP to reach it" it is "you NEED TP to reach it", you can't just change what is said in favor of what you are arguing
It does, we get elaboration on this dimensional barrier.
......we don't, at least, not anything that would matter for the point you are answering as, again, nothing ever states that these is what separate the realms in the macrocosm at all
No, Whis’ warp is shown to do unique things-
as i said in the OP "it clearly isn't teleportation but a speed ability,
so whatever argument one might give for what it is, is irelevant, all that matters for this scan to be contradicted is that they simply are not using teleportation at all"
You explaining how it does special things really doesn't cover the point at all
No it wouldn’t, it’s talking about the actual worlds the area between them isn’t the world, but the subspace.
the area between 2 parts of the world is very much part of said world, yes, regarldless, we literally can see between the Kaioshin realm and Living World in the scan regardless, making this point not relevant at all
We again literally had Executor translate this and explain the context.
and i am using his translations as well, which why i can say that nothing is ever said about it separating any of the realms inside the macrocosm
you either point me to where it is saying that it does separate them, or stop talking, going back and forth with "he said this, the scan doesn't say this, but he said this, but the scan didn't..." doesn't seem like a useful use of our time here
It literally tells us that it doesn’t belong to the worlds depicted, but instead exist between them. Simple conclusion.
again, that last part is never said......at all, you are taking this conclusion based on nothing, it isn't said in the scan, it isn't implied in the scan, nothing in the scan points to this
It would atleast apply to the Kaioshin Realm and RoSaT as they’re being separated as the worlds with different time dimensions.
no, it only applies to the ROSAT, that is the dimension said to have a different Time Dimension then the rest of the world, the statement doesn't say that the Kaioshin realm has a different time dimension then, say, the living world for example
Worlds doesn’t contradict being alternate dimensions, as established by the subspace they indeed are.
the Subspace litterally never talks or alludes to them at all and is said to not be part of the world they are in
Even if you don’t wanna say they are you would still have to acknowledge that the thing between them lacks the concept of time and space.
no, since the said "thing" isn't in between them at all............you also didn't answered the point you quoted in this answer btw......so
But the subspace is which the RoSaT is an area within subspace.
..........forget the OP, have you read what you are answering at all?
"but as i said, also doesn't prove it either, and it isn't a "fact" when nothing proves that to be the case,
there isn't any statements about the ROSAT or Subspace being inside U7"
You answering a point saying that Subspace and ROSAT aren't inside U7 with "they are in Universe 7" without any explanation with it is the synonymous of wasting time, you didn't made a point, you made an affirmation without any substance, like........how does that answer the point of "no statement says that either of those are inside U7"?
We literally see it in the RoSaT with gotenks and Buu.
which i am arguing both that isn't inside U7 and that the barrier there doesn't separate any of the realms that are inside of the macrocosm
as above, an empty affirmation that doesn't cover any of the points i made is just a waste of time, you know what i am arguing, so of course just the opposite of my conclusion without covering the points leading to said conclusion help in nothing in the debate at all, there isn't even anything for me to counerpoint here as you didn't made a point, you made an affirmation
The thing that separates macrocosms is something
called the neutral space though.
Which i am arguing to be what the Dimension of Swirling Lights Gogeta and Broly go in the their fight is
......when has anyone mentioned Subspace in this point at all?
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