Space-Time Manipulation For All Pokemon

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I never said that. I was responding to your comment about the whole “Any hawlucha > a Zigzagoon and Sunkern”

That said, you could make the argument that it should apply to that hawlucha on a lesser scale since it’s an alternate universe version of Ashes still.

 

[Chariot190]

Ah ok, my bad then, sorry.

Well, you get my point, just apply Hawlucha's feat to those comparable and above. Idk how you'd backscale hax like that, not quite quantifiable.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Team Rocket’s no pushover. Ash especially is no pushover. Like, every pokémon Ash and Team Rocket have pretty much are outliers against their entire species.

Just to comment on this really quickly, if we’re talking about Pokémon they’ve actually caught and trained on their own, Team rocket are most definitely push overs.

On very few occasions are they actually capable battlers without using borrowed Pokémon. The rare exceptions to this standard for them are mon like Mimikyu.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Anyway, back to the topic.

Like I said before, even if Trick Room busting doesn’t scale over to all mon as a generic hax, Shedninja and Ninjasks should when they are pretty much no different than any run of the mill ones.

That and we also have the tiritoga line which may be even better to use than the former.

 

[Chariot190]

>Team rocket are most definitely push overs.

I don't think that the Pokemon themselves are, but rather, theyre just super ******* dumb in how they go about things. Wobbufet is a tough son of a bitch bordering on outlier. Mimikyu too as you stated.

 

[Chariot190]

>That and we also have the tiritoga line which may be even better to use than the former.

I'm just saying be detailed and specific and scale with reason. Other then that, go nuts.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Oh yeah guys I found another one I just randomly remembered lol.

Rock Slide literally coming out of portals:

 

[00potato]

That rocks.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Also here’s another one, but it may be a reach.

When Dawns Piplup learns Hydro Pump, Piplup looks like it’s creating a portal for water to come out of.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Oh yeah. There’s ANOTHER one I managed to vaguely remember....not surprising amirite?

In the episodes of Black and White when N was injured in a battle with Team Plasma, his friends Anthea and Concordia, using their Gardevoir and Gothitelle, took N, Ash and his friends to another dimension.

 

[00potato]

Yeah seems good so far? Could we add this or should we wait for an admin?

 

[NeoZex6399]

In disagreement with Rock Slide and Hydro Pump, that seems more "pokémagic"/materialization that actual spatial manipulation.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Hydro Pump I’m fine with since I admitted it may be a reach from the start

But I don’t see the issue with Rock Slide. The rocks are clearly coming out of portals and normal elemental materialization for Pokémon doesn’t look like that.

 

[Arceus0x]

I agree with this. Forgot to write it earlier.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'm going to delete all comments unrelated to this discussion. elhermanopadre I already gave you a warning on a previous thread and now you're at the center of this derailment. Stop bringing up dragon ball and go make your own thread.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Guys. Please leave all the dragon ball stuff out of this.

The thread is going smoothly and we definitely don’t need off topic stuff like that ruining it.

 

[Thelastmlg]

That reminds me, what else Do we need to decide now? Are we searching for more portal feats or deciding to create a blog or the justifications?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Posting more feats isn’t really needed at this point, I’m just doing it to be more supportive.

What we need to do though is decide if we should make the blog first and then revise the pages, or if we should revise first and then make a blog.

I’m personally for the the former since we need to discuss the justifications too and which cases are more unique

 

[ElixirBlue]

The Blog should come first. If anyone wants to contest it, they’ll have to read the blog with a better format.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Then i agree with making the blog first.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Now the important question is which of these space-time feats should be generic common ones that go for any mon?

The first 2 that come up for me is Sheninja, Ninjask and the Tiritoga line.

 

[QuasiYuri]

I really think we should differenciate some levels of space/time manip tho.

Like Snorlax having same level as psychic/ghost pkmn is a no.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Any mon that can naturally learn trick room would be good too.

And yeah from the looks of it ghost, psychic (and maybe fairy types?) seem to have the most proficient space-time manipulation.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I really think we should differenciate some levels of space/time manip tho.

Like Snorlax having same level as psychic/ghost pkmn is a no.

This

Unless your a specific case that makes you different and can scale.

My guess would be that’s would be trainer specific mon.

 

[QuasiYuri]

Would special humans like Sabrina has stuff similar to psychic pkmn for it? Since she has like, psychic powers

 

[00potato]

Possibly, if she doesn’t show it we can’t be confident if she could or not. Though with some of the above evidence it would not be a suprise.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Oh yeah the Infinity Energy and Distortion World bit should definitely be given to everyone since they’re generals cases.

 

[Ionliosite]

I was originally going to disagree when I read the title of the thread, but looking at the abnormal amount of evidence, I'm willing to accept this if the blog compiling all those feats is made.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

That moment when you make a thread with an absurd title and the stuff your asking for gets accepted

 

[DatOneWeeb]

This seems good.

 

[Chariot190]

That moment when you make a thread with an absurd title and the stuff your asking for gets accepted

If it happens it happens. It may be ******* ridiculous, but I'm not about to argue that multiple showings, feats and evidence don't count because it's ridiculous on paper.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

That moment when you make a thread with an absurd title and the stuff your asking for gets accepted

If it's legit, it's legit. ovo

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

What’s the current tally now? Like, near 20? Lol

 

[Thelastmlg]

Is beautiful indeed.

does that mean i get spacetime hax for my TR meowh boy?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Oh yeah there may be another one. But I could be wrong on how I interpret it.

IIRC, in the Battle Finale of Legends episode, Team Galactic opened portals to Dialga and Palkias dimensions literally using the Red Chain, the latter in which became portals and summoned Dialga and Palkia in non-corporeal states.

Ash and the others Pokémon were able to destroy the red chain on 2 occasions. One was to free the lake trio and then Dialga and Palkia.

Where would this stand?

 

[00potato]

I don’t think that it counts for much. The chain is just breakable. Even if it was good evidence, we already have enough.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Now I know I’m obsessed ovo

 

[Thelastmlg]

I was goinf to mention who that was also conceptual manipulation, but then i remembered that only arceus is type 1

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Keep in mind (most of) those who initially rejected or were neutral this CRT did so before the mountains of evidence was brought not to mention the blog that'll eventually compile all these feats, statements and lore.

It might be best to tag them to see if they'll change their minds.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

The tag only works for staff sadly.

And really I don’t think junk anyone disagreed with this in general but rather they disagreed with this applying to everyone (which kind of got debunked halfway in to now)