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Minor Reality Warping for Humans?
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Space-Time Manipulation For All Pokemon
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I think it might also apply to pokemon too, but I or someone else would have to recheck the episode to be sure.
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Damn straight ovo
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The problem with this one, that Mimikyu was a Totem 'mon.
However, given how Ghost Types can do that sort of thing regularly, I think it's not unreasonable to think a normal Mimikyu could do it too.
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This is the Baltoy episode. Around the 13 mark they explain how the machine harnesses the rotation energy, and later Baltoy outright made the lady time travel.
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Okay I rechecked the reflection cave episode and I was right. For humans I mean.
Humans can open the portals to the other mirror worlds, and connect their world with other mirror worlds, through strong wishful desires.
Humans can open the portals to the other mirror worlds, and connect their world with other mirror worlds, through strong wishful desires.
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That moment when you realize Baltoy physically traveled through time ovo
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Question: Was it stated to only be applicable in the Mirror Worlds? For Context.
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Immeasurable when? ovo
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Nah. It was only said that to connect the worlds, you use strong desires.
I’ll try and post scans to give context.
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So we are considering Trick-room a low level space manipulation right? If we are, Priority moves are Space manipulation canceller move, becouse they ignores the effect of trick-room
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This.
I think another CRT should be made when the ability is ready to be applied to the profiles.
Most of this thread has been and still is discovering feats and applications.
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Agreed.
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This too. It should also cancel time since Neo said Trick Room also warps Time.
But yeah, we definitely should have a separate thread for this and other things related to trick room.
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Wow this is getting pretty "tricky"
But for the strong desires thing, couldn't it just be the way the mirror works?
But for the strong desires thing, couldn't it just be the way the mirror works?
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I don’t think so because even when the mirrors connected Ash’s universe to that mirror universe, as in the portals connected to them were
opened, the worlds were still separating and strong desires from the trainers were needed to reconnect them.
opened, the worlds were still separating and strong desires from the trainers were needed to reconnect them.
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From what I seen, this looks reasonable.
As long its clarified the extent and specifications of the hax in regards to each Pokemon in particular I'm fine with it. (Some Pokemon clearly excel and have better control over this then others, even if most if not all have it to an extent, like don't treat pikachu as having time travel because a few can).
As long its clarified the extent and specifications of the hax in regards to each Pokemon in particular I'm fine with it. (Some Pokemon clearly excel and have better control over this then others, even if most if not all have it to an extent, like don't treat pikachu as having time travel because a few can).
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True. Even if Pikachu has minor Space and Time Manipulation, there are Pokémon... Well, Moves, that do effect Space and Time on a grander scale than Thunderbolt.
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Tears of Life my dude.
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In case someone wants to see the Trick Room scan here it is.
The guy states that the move is "time-twisting".
The guy states that the move is "time-twisting".
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Quick side note and I’m probably not the only one but I’m starting to think the reason the move changes the speeds of Pokémon inside of it is because they’re outright warping time.
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HEH, ninja'd, boi
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So should we make a blog of this space-time stuff first b4 adding them to the pages? Or do that after?
And who would be fine with making the blog?
And who would be fine with making the blog?
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This seems fine but I'm more worried about the description we're gonna put on the pages since they all clearly can't do it to degrees like some others
I do support the blog idea.
I do support the blog idea.
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How about a blanket statement:
Limited Space-Time Manipulation (Seemingly all Pokémon are capable of pushing back Existence Erasure with their attacks, and moves such as Trick Room are stated to warp Time and Space)
Then, if it has another, more specific example, include that and link it. So for Ghastly, it’d be:
Limited Space-Time Manipulation (Seemingly all Pokémon are capable of pushing back Existence Erasure with their attacks, and moves such as Trick Room are stated to warp Time and Space. Ghastly in particular has been shown to be capable of making Spatial Loops.)
Limited Space-Time Manipulation (Seemingly all Pokémon are capable of pushing back Existence Erasure with their attacks, and moves such as Trick Room are stated to warp Time and Space)
Then, if it has another, more specific example, include that and link it. So for Ghastly, it’d be:
Limited Space-Time Manipulation (Seemingly all Pokémon are capable of pushing back Existence Erasure with their attacks, and moves such as Trick Room are stated to warp Time and Space. Ghastly in particular has been shown to be capable of making Spatial Loops.)
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Some Pokemon can't even learn trick room and like, something like a standard magikarp's degree of manip wouldn't even be on par with a basic Pokemon.
Just say what that Pokemon in particular is capable of, if it has no feats, just say "should be similar to [Pokemon] who is capable of [feats]".
For Pokemon with extra showings, just toss that in there too.
Just say what that Pokemon in particular is capable of, if it has no feats, just say "should be similar to [Pokemon] who is capable of [feats]".
For Pokemon with extra showings, just toss that in there too.
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I agree with it being like this.
It starts off with a generic explanation that applies to everyone and then the Pokémon who are more specific cases like Gastly or Rotom have theirs be clarified with more unique specifics.
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In fairness tho, space-time hax via destroying Trick Room should be something all Pokémon have.
Since Ash’s Hawlucha for instance blatantly destroyed it with sheer force.
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To keep in mind also, some are not particularly applicable in battle. Baltoy's time travel, for example. Those cases must be noted as well.
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I would refrain scaling anyone to Ash’s Pokemon, off of Ash’s feats. The anime is full of PIS moments for him honestly.
He’s also attacked Ground Types with Electricity by aiming at certain locations, broken through Counter without knocking out the enemy, and recently had Pikachu live the ‘Let’s Snuggle Forever’ Z-Move with Electroweb coming out of nowhere. There’re also inconsistencies, such as the ‘Thunder Armor’ moment in S/R.
He’s also attacked Ground Types with Electricity by aiming at certain locations, broken through Counter without knocking out the enemy, and recently had Pikachu live the ‘Let’s Snuggle Forever’ Z-Move with Electroweb coming out of nowhere. There’re also inconsistencies, such as the ‘Thunder Armor’ moment in S/R.
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>In fairness tho, space-time hax via destroying Trick Room should be something all Pokémon have.
I'd argue it depends on the pokemons place in the scaling. A trained Hawlucha can do it, but a sunkern sure as hell shouldn't. Treat it like dbz vice shout I guess if you catch my drift? Those above Hawlucha or on par maybe should.
I'd argue it depends on the pokemons place in the scaling. A trained Hawlucha can do it, but a sunkern sure as hell shouldn't. Treat it like dbz vice shout I guess if you catch my drift? Those above Hawlucha or on par maybe should.
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The thing is Ashes Hawlucha at that point wasn’t exactly anything special, and isn’t particularly noted to be anything special compared to any ordinary Hawlucha or trainer mon. It’s not like his Pikachu or Greninja for example.
Even without Trick Room, we still have the Sheninja and Ninjask owned by that random trainer in the togepi specials, who most definitely isn’t beyond any average run of the mill trainer.
Even without Trick Room, we still have the Sheninja and Ninjask owned by that random trainer in the togepi specials, who most definitely isn’t beyond any average run of the mill trainer.
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Oh yeah guys I found another one I just randomly remembered lol.
Rock Slide literally coming out of portals:
Rock Slide literally coming out of portals:
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Yeah so? A Hawlucha of any kind is still above a Sunkern or Zigzagoon. You could maybe scale to comparable species and above, given you said yourself, through sheer, raw, force. but we aint gonna scale that to things below him, that doesn't make sense,
I recall him being pretty decent, though it's been like, well idk when did that air on TV? That's how long since I've seen it, but I vaguely recall him being a big deal (though couldbe been due to wonder guard). i guess just scale things like that to pokemon on par and above with that species too.
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I wouldn’t say that. The Hawlucha from Mirror Ash in the Reflection Cave episode was fairly fodder compared to OG Ash and his.
Like, even Team Rockets Pokémon was able to beat it.
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Team Rocket’s no pushover. Ash especially is no pushover. Like, every pokémon Ash and Team Rocket have pretty much are outliers against their entire species.
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Ok, and? If that Hawlucha is outright weaker than Ash's, and Ash's did his through raw strength, why are we assuming that applies to the weaker Hawlucha who, in your own words, is weaker than a Hawlucha that isnt anthing special?
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