Soupy's Bracket Bowl: The Return! Round 2!

[Robot972]

But he can still react to and deflect the attacks

 

[Jackythejack]

I suppose, it'd just be a lot more difficult if he can't move at all

 

[Psychomaster35]

As long as his soul is green, Super Monkey cant move, only turn. That makes it alot easier to hit him. He may still react to them, but the spears would eventually overwhelm him.

 

[Robot972]

Pretty sure his superior danmaku and his fully-upgrades storm core (large whirlwind around him that repels objects) will be more than enough

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Or he could just

Y'know

Destroy the spears with laser beams

 

[Buttersamuri]

She would have to tag him with it first. As well not even an opener. Even if you completely whoop her in a fight, she only uses it when they are running away. As well. His danmaku powers could honestly possibly overpower hers. She doesn't attack nearly as fast.

 

[Soupywolf5]

Doesn't turning your soul green kind of require Undyne to actually touch it? Or am I misremembering?

 

[Robot972]

Yeah, she has to touch you with an attack

 

[BigSmoke4269]

BSM is MSH, so I don't see that happening

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Nvm speed is equal

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yeah, she has to touch you with an attack

No she doesn't.

As seen in her Undying fight (her magic did not change even slightly so there's no reason to assume it's true only for that) she can swing her spear and regardless of being at the other end of the box out of the swings way, you'll still be affected.

 

[Robot972]

Huh. I guess I forgot about that

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

You were probably more preoccupied with not dying in her fight to remember that.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[BigSmoke4269]

Le Monke FRA

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Buttersamuri]

I think Undyne should have 4 for her. No 3

Ricco, Joac, Psycho and Jacky

 

[Buttersamuri]

I also don't recall the box being big enough to where you can avoid it like that, I just recall when the box opens: it's small and she green effects with contact

 

[Buttersamuri]

I'll note, if it is like that where she doesn't need to make contact. I think I might switch back to Undyne. But not sure

 

[Jackythejack]

You mean green mode? She doesn't have to make contact from what I remember

 

[Buttersamuri]

Oh. Well. I doubt both of y'all are remembering it wrong. I guess I might be remembering someone who didn't bother trying to dodge it or something.

This still makes it pretty interesting. Undynes slower but stronger onslaught vs Super monkeys rapid but weaker onslaught

 

[Robot972]

I checked the fight. From what I can tell, the player isn't given the option to move, despite the box having room to do so, and Undyne's spear always contacts the player before any effects occur.

Turning Gree

Turning Red

Nevermind, found a spot where she doesn't contact. https://youtu.be/LSmt92xQ5g8?t=193

Since this isn't bloodlusted, if Super Monkey survives long enough, won't Undyne just put him back to normal?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No. As I said, you can move out of the way in the genocide route.

 

[Robot972]

You never mention that on this thread. Besides, I found a link that counters my point regardless, if you look at the updated comment

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

https://youtu.be/y-bLD_K9Ayc

See 4:40.

You can be anywhere in tha box, too.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Also, why is it base Undyne here?

Her Undying self is still 9-A with the same rating except a lot stronger, she has better attacks and is more willing to fight.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

You never mention that on this thread. Besides, I found a link that counters my point regardless, if you look at the updated comment

I didn't see the edit nor this comment.

And I said in her Undying fight. Which is the genocide fight itself.

 

[Robot972]

No clue. That's just what was chosen

so all arguments using Undying are invalid

 

[Robot972]

As seen in her Undying fight (her magic did not change even slightly so there's no reason to assume it's true only for that) she can swing her spear and regardless of being at the other end of the box out of the swings way, you'll still be affected.

Oh, you're right. Missed this comment while looking back.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I also feel like people downplay how much stronger she is. She tanked the 9-A feat she scales to with no harm.

 

[Buttersamuri]

She was signed by it that I recall. But it didn't do much of damage. Looking at the AP now though. Considering Undyne has the actual option to dodge, super monkey can lose his, and Undyne is way stronger. I'll switch by to fish lady again

 

[Lord_JJJ]

Fish Lady Fra

 

[Robot972]

Dunno what the vote total is currently, so Undyne FRA

 

[Buttersamuri]

That would be grace with Robots vote

 

[Soupywolf5]

Also, why is it base Undyne here?

Her Undying self is still 9-A with the same rating except a lot stronger, she has better attacks and is more willing to fight.

Because Psycho specifically said to use Base Undyne

 

[Psychomaster35]

Also, wouldnt it actually put her into a banned AP spot? It would at least have to put her 9-A, but higher.

 

[Buttersamuri]

It might actually yea.

 

[Soupywolf5]

Given that she apparently upscales from her given value in base, and how much stronger then base her Undying form is, I'd say probably

 

[Psychomaster35]

Next round, Soupy?