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So what do you support Cal?
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Sonic speed downgrade.
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I think either way it being far away from Earth makes more sense than it being right outside Earth, how far away it is I'm not sure.
Lou_change
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I might be being dumb but could the "nebula" actually be the Oort cloud. Just a thought but I don't think any other argument against the feat has been logical.
ShakeResounding
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The last bit of his message entails him supporting that him being father away from the Earth makes more sense than him being anywhere near it. As is the logical conclusion.
MysticMania
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That's not a bad idea, Lou. I don't know if it looks similar to an oort cloud, though.
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Lou_change
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https://www.google.com/search?q=oor...camovil-us-revc&prmd=inv#imgrc=A-wvFzsVWulMBM
The comet(hedgehog) Hale-Bopp(Sonic) captured the attention of millions when it traveled in from the Oort Cloud to pass near the Earth before returning to its distant home. (Image credit: J. C. Casado)
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I mean it could be that universe equivalent.
The comet(hedgehog) Hale-Bopp(Sonic) captured the attention of millions when it traveled in from the Oort Cloud to pass near the Earth before returning to its distant home. (Image credit: J. C. Casado)
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I mean it could be that universe equivalent.
MysticMania
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Possibly, but it still resembles a star cluster much more than an Oort cloud, though. Plus, from Da_Lunge's point of view, it still wouldn't fix the issue of how Gemerl got to Earth. ( Which, personally, I don't see as much of an issue. )
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I keep asking for explaining how Gemerl was sent flying by the explosion at such a perfect angle to end up on earth. And if the blast was that powerful, why weren’t sonic and Eggman affecting?
MysticMania
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We're only saying a blast is a possibility. Plus, we know at least Eggman was still conscious, so he simply could've withstood it, if it was an explosion.
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Look, none of you have explained me how could Gemerl end up on earth unless he was close to it and fell. A calc simply cannot be used with such a big contradiction with it.
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Can you please explain why Shadow dive bombed towards Earth at the end of SA2, or explain the multiple other times characters fell to Earth when they shouldn't have in the games?
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Because they were close to earth, that's why they were bombed.
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Sigh, what’s the contradiction?
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He’s still clinging to the “He fell” argument.
MysticMania
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Right. We don't even know that he for sure did, either.
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I know his “this is the only logically explanation and Sonic’s multiple backgrounds in space near the planet are outliers because I saw Gemerl fall to earth from that colorful location right at the edge of the planet in the game I didn’t play” argument.
What is the contradiction? He says there’s a contradiction and for now, I can only assume it being Space having black with white dots near the Planet in all the other Sonic Games to be that contradiction.
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You're trying to debunk this calc by saying we use an assumption to make it logical. But then your argument to counter it is... Also an assumption. A contradicted assumption at that. To rephrase, a worse assumption. In other words, an assumption that somehow makes even less sense. AKA the farther reach in assumption-making. As in, a shittier assumption.
Do you see?
Do you see?
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THE **** THAT GEMERL ******* ENDED UP ON EARTH. And don’t tell me he was sent flying by an explosion, I already debunked it.
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The same can be said about the probability of Kryptonite landing on Earth. It's made convenient for the writers.
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You didn't debunk SHIT, your entire argument is that it's too unlikely, a fallacy, that you REFUSE to adress, give it up
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Unlikely is still better than outright impossible
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Fallacy huh? How the **** is that a fallacy? Calling everything that contradicts your calcs is a nice strategy tho, gonna give you that. And if Gemerl was even a fraction of an angle off, he would entirely miss the earth, this is too unlikely to be even considered. And if the blast was so strong, why weren't Sonic and Eggman affected?
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Read and weep, because a fallacy is the only thing you can meet
Argument from incredulity - Wikipedia
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So pointing or contradiction in a calc is fallacy huh?Read and weep, because a fallacy is the only thing you can meet
Argument from incredulity - Wikipedia
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Literally the only argument against the feat is the unlikeliness of Gemerl ending back on Earth after the fight, which... is kinda irrelevant?
Like... why does an entire calc get rejected because an unlikely event happened? Not impossible, not ilogical, just unlikely.
Like... why does an entire calc get rejected because an unlikely event happened? Not impossible, not ilogical, just unlikely.
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The event happened so probability doesn't really matter as long as the probability exists it can happen and it happened this isn't the first time the series things somehow end up on earth or in fiction.
No it's refusing to use good logic and ad nauseam just because of an opinion I honestly don't care if the verse is downgraded or upgraded rather that it is accurate despite a previous resentment.
No it's refusing to use good logic and ad nauseam just because of an opinion I honestly don't care if the verse is downgraded or upgraded rather that it is accurate despite a previous resentment.
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Ok so, leaving aside what's being argued here, the calc is factually wrong.
You don't see the entire nebula in this image
You don't see the entire nebula in this image
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Hmmm, that is a valid concern, the calc after all wasn't evaluated, I guess Gilad (who made the blog) can probably try to fix it
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I tried to find the argument here but all I can see is a man, made of straw. The "contradiction" is the fallacy, Rodri did post an actual valid critique, unlike yours
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I mean... I don't think you can "fix" it. You need to determine how much nebula is being shown in the background, which seems impossible.
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Could try scaling from just one of the stars in the background and see how far away it is from Sonic.
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You also need to determine how far from Earth are the stars. So no.
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Aren't the stars in the Nebula, which have a known distance from Earth? That way I can scale how big the screen is compared to the star and that way I can use angsizing to determine how far Sonic is from the Nebula
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That's the problem, you know how far away is the nebula, but the stars are inside it.
You need to pick a star and know which star it is.
ShakeResounding
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Well if there's something wrong with the calc, then at least that's a valid reason to disregard a feat rather than faulty logic kek.
So, what, this is just a vague MFTL+ feat rather than something you can calc? Because I doubt this can't be calced somehow.
So, what, this is just a vague MFTL+ feat rather than something you can calc? Because I doubt this can't be calced somehow.
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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The Nebula isn't that big compared to its distance from Earth, so you can use the distance in the calc just fine. At worst this will just give two very close low and high ends
Your point is valid concerning the size of the stars though
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Please someone freaking explain me how Gemerl ended up on earth. That’s the contradiction I meant and the contradiction you clear know is a thing but refuse to address it cause you can not.
Lou_change
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The same way most things in fiction land on earth the writers wanted it to it doesn't matter if it's unlikely it happened it happened your only evidence is that he lands on earth but why are you still arguing that we found a more logical argument.
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By a method that we don't know, isn't shown to us, or even stated.
For all we know, Gemerl might have used the data he inherited from Emerl to use Chaos Control, or he might have flown to Earth by himself and break down during atmospheric re-entry, or it's just a plothole.
We could make several explanations for how it happened, but none of them are factual.
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