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Funny i was going to say the same thing. Him fighitng near earth and then just falling later makes way more sense than, let's say, teleporting after already being almost destroyed.
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Sonic speed downgrade.
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Nah 4-A rating is solid imo.
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Near Earth? Sonic Colors, Sonic 4, Sonic 3 and Knuckles and Sonic 2 shows what the background of being near earth. The background we are talking about must extend farther. If you say the Earth's Gravity extend far further (purely on headcanon), you are giving head canon resistance to Gravity to Sonic's Moon.
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What? Do you read my posts? Show me saying Sonic took him to Earth, because I didn't, I said he was flung the explosion, this is pathetic
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It was not you but Gilad who said it
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Gilad Hyperstar mentioned that possibility but I counter that can't be the case.
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Your assuming your conclusion is correct and then arguing based on that, it's been proven several times it isn't close to Earth because of basic logic, points you haven't refuted
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Then don't reply to me about it
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Everyone who are FRA this thread are people of FRA any downgrade thread, that's funny
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I immediately dropped this argument after seeing that it's bad. Also, it was never my main argument, the 4-A explosion was
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True, I've seen MikeBro just FRA a lot of downgrades relating to Sonic recently.
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That's very funny huh?
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Not true and it’s funny how your mocking my views
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You view Space having Gravity?
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Ok, that's off topic. And I want to repeat my point. Just imagine it, Gemerl is fighting 2 light years from the earth, that's a lot of distance. So you seriously assume that an explosion, even a 4-A one, happens and Gemerl just happens to be sent to Earth?
It's not that the explosion isn't strong enough, Gemerl landing exactly on Earth is just stupid
It's not that the explosion isn't strong enough, Gemerl landing exactly on Earth is just stupid
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How is calling something stupid an argument for Space having Gravity?
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Sorry I don't get it. Gravity would bring Gemerl back to earth?
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From lightyears away? Yeah that's BS, and impossible
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You said Gemerl fell from Space, which is the argument being used to invalid the calc.
"Falling" requires Gravity.
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Just imagine it, you are fighting on space out of Earth's orbit, you explode with no momentum at all, and then fall to Earth without any force actualy pulling you down, you just do because we MUST downplay. So we assume there's gravity in space? I am sorry but this is just stupid
It's stupidly easy to flip your points back at you
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He was shown being sent flying by the explosion
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So you concede that your "falling" argument is incorrect? Good, thread over
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I mean still no. If they're close to Earth, Gemerl gets sent flying by the explosion and then falls. If they're light years away, no way Gemerl is sent that far and somehow reaches exactly earth
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You conceded half of your arguments, good, the rest is just an argument of incredulity, ergo a fallacy
Argument from incredulity - Wikipedia
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"If" See Sonic Colors, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic 2, Sonic 3 and Knuckles, Sonic Battle, Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 4 episode 2 for reference what space looks like close to Earth.
Whether they are close to earth or not, Gemerl would still need to be blasted towards Earth. The distance does not matter in Space, only the direction, because there is no Gravity in Space.
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Yeah, there's no external resistance in space, a object will keep it's force constant no matter what because of it, therefore as Elixir says the distance wouldn't really matter, meteors can fall to Earth from very far away, it's not impossible and even then it's an argument from incredulity, a logical fallacy
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I agree that "MFTL+ Super Sonic because when he goes to fight a bad guy in space there's stars in the background" is incredibly sus. Never got this weird interpretation that he must have flown lightyears rather than assuming that it just looked weird because its cool.
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Because the way the space where Gemerl is fought is portrayed is completely different to every other time when characters have fought right outside the Earth's atmosphere (which is usually portrayed as just entirely black with stars).
The actual distance is up for debate but it is definitely fairly far away.
The actual distance is up for debate but it is definitely fairly far away.
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The recalc literally only uses the background itself to calculate the distance, with no assumptions, anyways backgrounds can be valid for distance, we only know Sonic and Tails flew to the sky in Sonic 2 because the background of Sky Chase is a cloud sky, every 2D space game because the background shows space and the Earth from orbit, therefore this one is show a Nebula, it's that simple then assuming it's nothing because "low=good"
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Is there like one place that's close to Earth? And lemme tell you a secret, gravity can still work in space.
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Not sure what you are currently arguing.
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Gravity is still a thing even in outer space, I mean, why do you think are planets orbiting the sun?
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Ok? Space Gravity pulls everything to Earth?
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Pretty sure Gemerl isn't large enough to warrant him being dragged back to Earth from deep space. There are gravitational pulls, yes, but how does that apply within deep space with a robot at nothing more than 10 feet? Because we are in deep space after all.
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The nebula in the background seems to make it clear that the fight doesn’t take place near Earth. As previously pointed out in the thread, the final bosses in the first two Advanced games visibly demonstrated that they were close to Earth by showing it in the background. To give an explanation as to why Gemerl fell back to Earth, that could be because the nebula is located above the Earth (after all you can travel omnidirectionally in space), so after being defeated he fell straight down. So I disagree with removing the feat.
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Bruh, no offense but did you miss a class in school? Like seriously, you are comparing a robot's gravitacional pull with an entire planet? Without outside force Earth's gravity isn't strong enough to pull small objects outside of it's orbit, otherwise the asteroids at the field would have fallen to Earth
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Btw, should this thread even remain open given there's another Sonic CRT going on, or no?
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