Dr. Eggman Tier 2 upgrade

[DaReaperMan]

Heya. So, this has been attempted before, with some... interesting Effects. I'm doing it myself.

Reaper, wouldn't any of this just be an outlier for Eggman?!​

Eh, no? Eggman completely lacks physical feats for the most part, even in Modern. The only thing you have is his punching of an Ice Wall and not one-shotting it, but that's ALSO an anti-feat for his current 8-C rating to a 1-1 degree. So let's go.

Doctor Starline​

This scene is famous, and for good reason, it's great. This is also in the same issue Starline ******* dies, but hey.

One shot, one temporarily knocked out Starline. IDW issue #50.

Now, 2-C durability Starline is... weird. He's never portrayed as particularly strong or durable on his own, to the point where Tails treats him like an absolute joke (Issue #36), but he's never really one-shot, except by Eggman. In fact since the link died on his profile, I made a copy of the scan of him not getting wrecked by Amy (Also Issue #36). Pretty clear 2-C scaling, if not all that high into it

Surge​

Yeah this is where it gets contentious. In fact, Eggman can only really hold Surge back and throw her off of himself, dealing minor damage, (Issue #55) and thus definitely downscales here. It's worth noting he can throw her around (Also Issue #55) but that's probably more LS than AP considering how he did it.

Sonic Shuffle​

Eggman harming Adventure Era Sonic and Amy..

Conclusion​

Option 1: Upgrade Eggman physically to At most 2-C, scaling to his Starline feat and above his previous self

Option 2: Upgrade Eggman physically in his Modern key to 4-B, at most 2-C: (@Vietthai96,

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

... OP, I think you made a mistake and posted this in the wrong spot.

 

[DaReaperMan]

... OP, I think you made a mistake and posted this in the wrong spot.

ha! looks like I fell for a tzeentchian plot while prepping one of my own

 

[AThe1412]

Sonic FRA.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Sonic Shuffle has some stuff that'd allow Eggman to scale to the main cast.

 

[Imaginym]

This seems to be tagged for game characters, but based on the scan visible in the opening post, it concerns the comics.

I'm unfamiliar with Comics Sonic scaling chains & may be potentially contentious scaling since as OP says, it involves some suspect scaling where some of it might be dubious.
So I'll wait for more Knowledgeable Members & perhaps Staff to weigh in on this.

 

[DaReaperMan]

This seems to be tagged for game characters, but based on the scan visible in the opening post, it concerns the comics.

I'm unfamiliar with Comics Sonic scaling chains & may be potentially contentious scaling since as OP says, it involves some suspect scaling where some of it might be dubious.
So I'll wait for more Knowledgeable Members & perhaps Staff to weigh in on this.

IDW comics are Canon to the games, They've even got renders from the comics, but if you asked me whixh thread this was decided I could genuinely not tell you, just saying that there used to be seperate profiles, and now they're merged.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Sonic Shuffle has some stuff that'd allow Eggman to scale to the main cast.

And for the record I genuinely don't know if Sonic Shuffle is Adventure or Modern, since IDW is modern.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

And for the record I genuinely don't know if Sonic Shuffle is Adventure or Modern, since IDW is modern.

It's Adventure, just putting that there since concerns about Eggman physically scaling to the main cast at any point might arise.

 

[DaReaperMan]

It's Adventure, just putting that there since concerns about Eggman physically scaling to the main cast at any point might arise.

To be honest when Adventure Eggman has LITERALLY NOTHING to his name besides that, I think we get a pass lol

Also why does Eggman currently have unknown SS in his modern key he is LITERALLY doing his 8-C feat with his fists!

 

[StarShooter80]

I remember joking about this feat before in the general discussion thread lol, I agree

 

[DaReaperMan]

I remember joking about this feat before in the general discussion thread lol, I agree

I actually brought it up in February and only came around to doing it now after a read through of the pretty solid comic series.

 

[Eseseso]

Looks good

Also why does Eggman currently have unknown SS in his modern key he is LITERALLY doing his 8-C feat with his fists!

Agreed

 

[JJSliderman]

Sonic Shuffle has some stuff that'd allow Eggman to scale to the main cast.

Nah, he’s not hurting them at all.

 

[ShakeResounding]

... but if you asked me whixh thread this was decided I could genuinely not tell you, just saying that there used to be seperate profiles, and now they're merged.

In this thread, the merge was dictated by community consensus due to the statements from Sega regarding the canonicity of Prime and IDW and is where the memes of Tier 2 Whisper and Tangle came in

Also sorry about the dead links, the verse is currently in the middle of repairs to replace the broken scans (the dead ones are mine, my Imgur was banned)

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Nah, he’s not hurting them at all.

Amy's voiceline during this event says otherwise.

 

[DaReaperMan]

In this thread, the merge was dictated by community consensus due to the statements from Sega regarding the canonicity of Prime and IDW and is where the memes of Tier 2 Whisper and Tangle came in

Also sorry about the dead links, the verse is currently in the middle of repairs to replace the broken scans (the dead ones are mine, my Imgur was banned)

So...? Opinions on the thread...?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I personally see the logic. Are there instances where Eggman can harm himself, since he's already accepted to have that high physical durability?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I personally see the logic. Are there instances where Eggman can harm himself, since he's already accepted to have that high physical durability?

I mean he hurt himself punching an Ice Wall

But that's moreso an Durability anti-feat more than anything lol

 

[Monsters_fight]

Seems reasonable, I agree

 

[JJSliderman]

His farts are also Adventure era power, there’s that.

 

[OrangeFR]

Is there anything to imply Tails and Amy are not holding back whatsoever against Starline? He doesn’t seem to be at all comparable to most of the cast in everything outside of not getting splattered into bloody paste by an attack. Also I feel like Eggman’s durability antifeat of being hurt slightly while doing an 8-C attack should matter slightly more. Though I do agree with him scaling to the base adventure era main cast via shuffle.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Is there anything to imply Tails and Amy are not holding back whatsoever against Starline? He doesn’t seem to be at all comparable to most of the cast in everything outside of not getting splattered into bloody paste by an attack.

There's not a lot, but it should be noted that earlier in the issue Amy got pissed after being harmed by a bear bot and one-shot it with her hammer, so chances are she was at least putting effort behind her swings.

Also I feel like Eggman’s durability antifeat of being hurt slightly while doing an 8-C attack should matter slightly more.

that's not his 8-C Calc, his actual 8-C Calc is this:

Eggman punches truck

vsbattles.fandom.com

Which is effortless from him.

Though I do agree with him scaling to the base adventure era main cast via shuffle.

That could be fine.

 

[OrangeFR]

There's not a lot, but it should be noted that earlier in the issue Amy got pissed after being harmed by a bear bot and one-shot it with her hammer, so chances are she was at least putting effort behind her swings.

That’s my main disagreement with this, and even if they were not holding back at all this kinda just screams outlier to me.

that's not his 8-C Calc, his actual 8-C Calc is this:

Eggman punches truck

vsbattles.fandom.com

Which is effortless from him.

Mb, sorry.

 

[ShakeResounding]

So...? Opinions on the thread...?

I have none.

I was staunchly against Tier 2 Eggy beforehand, but I've grown more neutral over time. Feats are feats and if they're deemed valid then so-be-it.

Eh, I guess I agree at that rate.

 

[DaReaperMan]

That’s my main disagreement with this, and even if they were not holding back at all this kinda just screams outlier to me.

To be fair, Starline literally has nothing else except getting slammed and knocked out for a couple moments by Eggman... who himself has his Surge stuff.

Mb, sorry.

That's fine, but I'm just noting that the ice is NOT the reason for Eggman's 8-C, and is probably weaker than his value.

 

[OrangeFR]

To be fair, Starline literally has nothing else except getting slammed and knocked out for a couple moments by Eggman... who himself has his Surge stuff.

Said Surge stuff is genuinely just an LS feat.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Said Surge stuff is genuinely just an LS feat.

I suppose kicks are LS, huh?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Image on the right

 

[OrangeFR]

I suppose kicks are LS, huh?

With said kick dealing no visible damage and doing nothing other than knocking her away… yeah I would say that was just an LS feat. She doesn’t even exclaim a grunt of pain or anything, she just looks surprised more than anything.

 

[DaReaperMan]

With said kick dealing no visible damage and doing nothing other than knocking her away… yeah I would say that was just an LS feat. She doesn’t even exclaim a grunt of pain or anything, she just looks surprised more than anything.

What, you want blood to be spurting out like Mortal Kombat or DC? Starline was killed bloodlessly five issues before this, you sorta have to make concessions when it comes to IDW Sonic, because unless it's a machine, the most you'll see when it comes to damage is some hashtags after prolonged combat.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Eggman downscaling physically in AP to Sonic team sounds weird, but hey, I’m supporter of Undertale where downscaling is even weirder, so I’m not the one to talk.
I agree with the thread.

 

[OrangeFR]

What, you want blood to be spurting out like Mortal Kombat or DC? Starline was killed bloodlessly five issues before this, you sorta have to make concessions when it comes to IDW Sonic, because unless it's a machine, the most you'll see when it comes to damage is some hashtags after prolonged combat.

It just seems like the downscale is too large to me off of one rather unclear feat anyway.

 

[DaReaperMan]

It just seems like the downscale is too large to me off of one rather unclear feat anyway.

And that's fine, if anything it's worthy of an At Most rating since that's why such a rating exists.

 

[OrangeFR]

And that's fine, if anything it's worthy of an At Most rating since that's why such a rating exists.

I wouldn’t be opposed to a “(wherever tf the adventure characters scale to), possibly/at most 2-C” rating for base Eggman.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I wouldn’t be opposed to a “(wherever tf the adventure characters scale to), possibly/at most 2-C” rating for base Eggman.

I'll put that into the conclusion then

OP edited

 

[OrangeFR]

I'll put that into the conclusion then

OP edited

IMO the possibly shouldn’t even be there at all, but I’d much rather have that than just straight up 2-C. It seems like others disagree with my opinion though, eh, c’est la vie.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Lowkey agree didn't Eggman also like outrun Sonic that one time and tank a black hole? Him being physically comparable to the main cast seems consistent to me

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Lowkey agree didn't Eggman also like outrun Sonic that one time and tank a black hole? Him being physically comparable to the main cast seems consistent to me

Him outrunning the entire main cast is generally regarded as game mechanics/gag feats. But I have found the Official JP Sonic account saying that he has such speedy legs that even Sonic can't catch up (by Sonic 2, at least)

 

[AyOgUyS]

Him outrunning the entire main cast is generally regarded as game mechanics/gag feats. But I have found the Official JP Sonic account saying that he has such speedy legs that even Sonic can't catch up (by Sonic 2, at least)

Immeasurable speed base Eggman trust me bro