Can this be scan for Akyuu and her experience with netherworld ?
This is even said by Akyuu herself even in death she still working... in netherworld with Yama
Since the statement itself relies on a 50/50 interpretation would a rating such as 4-A (Tenshi's dream world self shakes the heavens), likely 3-B (stated that she was going to destroy heaven in a short amount of time and heaven houses multiple galaxies as seen in antinomy of common flowers), possibly high 3-A (it is said the netherworld is larger than hell which is infinite and heaven is larger than the netherworld) be adequate for now until the next crt?
What are you talking about? What assumptions? Im not bringing up any of akyuus questionable statements. Youre getting the debates mixed up man. Im talking about direct statements here. "It is said" is a direct quote from her that literally means its something shes heard and by basic english shes talking about whats commonly said (and likely been passed onto her) and is left clearly vague. She clearly hasnt properly verified the information enough to have said that its outright bigger. Its not this complicated.
They do lie, in order to make themselves look good.
To make herself look good, she just made up the Netherworld's size.
The evidence being the general personalities of 2hus.
"The Yama" doesn't necessarily mean Eiki Shiki. And we don't even know if a Yama said anything to her about the relative size ratios between the Netherworld and Hell to begin with. For all we know, it could just be the ghost of a random farmer who said that he heard a guy who heard a guy who said that the Netherworld was bigger than Hell.
Because to say "heaven is smaller than the netherworld" would just seem blasphemous to Yuyuko at that point.One more thing before I temporarily retire this topic. Earlier Malomtek proposed that Yuyuko could've been lying to Akyuu about the Netherworld's size in order to make herself look good. The issue with this is that in SWR, Yuyuko outright admits Heaven is larger than the Netherworld. It would be a very strange inconsistency for her to admit one Otherworld is larger than her own in one instance, but lie about it in another instance.
Can you please fix your English?
Nope.
Plus Shiki's jurisdiction is gensokyo lol
I very explicitly said: '"The Yama" doesn't necessarily mean Eiki Shiki. And we don't even know if a Yama said anything to her about the relative size ratios between the Netherworld and Hell to begin with. For all we know, it could just be the ghost of a random farmer who said that he heard a guy who heard a guy who said that the Netherworld was bigger than Hell.'
I also know that Gensokyo is a leading source of self-reporting hyperbole, so I guess making up false claims to make yourself look good is the general "culture" there.
Yeah, and? Are there no other Yamas in Gensokyo alone, let alone Touhou as a whole?
Why would I stop posting what I believe is right? What I'm posting is no mere "headcanon" either, but solid reasoning based on what has been established in the Touhouverse already.
Yknow thats mostly tengu right?
Shes literally the only yama shown and has an important role. The yama shouldnt mean anything else.
Because youre digging a hole and making the whole thing a thousand times more complicated than it needs to be with "what ifs" to practically derail. Youre not trying to make things right by story or lore. You blatantly just want to find a way to make them lower.
Do you actually know what argument from belief means? This isn't my opinion, this is a statement from a canon source. And I've already given evidence that she wasn't referring to Former Hell, what else do you need? Unless you wanna assume ZUN is a time traveler.
If they're both effectively infinite, it doesn't really matter. Yes, one is infinite to a higher degree than the other, and that's stupid, but they're both now capable of holding an infinite number of souls, which was the point of enlarging them to begin with. And again, why would someone be referring to a concept that hadn't even been written into canon yet? You can't just argue these characters have knowledge exceeding that of the writer.
Yes, but not literally every single character. You're extrapolating a concept that is true for some characters onto every single character in the verse, which is absurd.
In this case it does, as Eiki is explicitly stated to be Gensokyo's Yama. It's also canon that maidens of miare work extremely closely with the Yama, so Eiki is currently our best guess as to who gave Akyuu this information.
Literally what the hell does this mean? Are you implying Yuyuko is so deeply religious that speaking ill of Heaven in any context is forbidden so she lies about its actual size? That's one of the biggest stretches I've ever seen, try not to hurt your back.
Low 2-C comes from Miko's corridor absorption, which absorbed infinite space. Given the way the corridor is described and the interconnected nature of space and time in touhou, it could easily be argued to be low 2-C, though since it'd be the only low 2-C feat we have, it would remain as a 'possibly' rating.
@Antvasima can you warn this guy? I don't have time to look at his borderline illegible rants against me.
No, I'm just arguing for the side I think is right, and your appeals to motive will not change that.
I wasn't extrapolating it to every single Touhou character. I was speaking of characters in Touhou generally, meaning most of the (named) residents of Gensokyo. I honestly should have specified that, but oh well.
If Eiki in particular gave Akyuu the info, she wouldn't have written "it is said", but instead "the Yama told me". The fact that she didn't instead write "the Yama told me" or anything to that effect speaks volumes on the essential veracity of the information involved.
Again, Miko absorbed a finite-but-unbounded corridor that merely loops "infinitely". The corridor itself isn't infinite, and even if it was, that would only be weird spacetime absorption powers for Miko that doesn't scale to her raw power in any way.
I don't need to bring up scans when none of you three have brought up any scans for, say, Eiki, in particular, specifically talking about the size differences between the Netherworld and Hell to Akyuu.
They aren't totally a collective, but still are essentially the same.
And Touhou follows quantum physics to say that the verse itself is at least a quantic multiverse. We can know this due to what it's stated here:
And it's also stated that they are brane worlds:
And we have this:
So actually, it would be logic to say that, generally speaking, each otherworld is equal to the other.
Unfortunately for you, you three don't decide how threads are run in VBW.
That doesn't counter anything I've said previously.here why
That doesn't prove that Shiki Eiki once specifically discussed otherworld size differences with Akyuu.don't talk about in Touhou Visionary fairies
Reimu go visit Eiki with Komachi for asking her about who use hell fairy in Gensokyo
I'm asking you to calm down, please. Even @Hecatia_Gaming is telling you the same, and he/she certainly doesn't like me either.
Why are we going with what "sounds better" than what has actually been described in the series? That's the exact kind of headcanon-y wishful thinking nonsense the Touhou supporters in this thread have been accusing me of making. This is especially pertinent when people like @FujiwaraYesMokou have openly admitted their support for this purely because they want Touhou upgrades, i.e. pushing their agenda.
One character barely knowing what DNA is does not mean that another character wouldn't know what a "femtosecond" is.
I'm saying that the average Gensokyo resident generally lies and makes up hyperbolic claims about themselves to make themselves look good. If I remember correctly, the character who made that "femtosecond" statement was not a native Gensokyan, and there's no particular benefit or reason for her to be lying on a matter this esoteric in any case.
Don't lie this blatantly, especially not to me. The main purpose of this thread a few pages in (and before I stepped in) was to rubberstamp the most absurd Touhou upgrades, upgrades you have been and still are clearly in favor of. Your desire for Touhou to be upgraded has everything to do with this.
I'm talking about the distances in which Kaguya can effectively use her femtosecond time magic bullshit, and the speed calcs (think: speed = distance/[one femtosecond]) that can be done with that.
