God, you could at least read the justifications. For an object to exude infinite energy, it needs to be capable of storing infinite energy. Yes, it could be a perpetual motion machine, but it's also a sphere with no visible mechanisms or parts that would imply it works as such. Nothing about how it looks or is described would indicate that that is how it works. You cannot make claims like this and then refuse to provide evidence, especially when the claim in particular is this outlandish.
It doesn't exude "infinite" energy, strictly speaking, it exudes energy "endlessly".
Promestein has already agreed that Kaguya would be using this ability in combat with Mokou, the current issue is if Mokou scales to that speed, which is the most likely option.
Why would Mokou scale to an amped speed boost technique? That leads to circular and self-contradicting scaling.
"This statement must be wrong because I think the character who said it is stupid" has to be the most pathetic attempt at a debunk I've ever seen.
I mean, am I wrong here? Promestein doesn't seem to disagree with me that much.
From my understanding, a true Klein Bottle is 4D in nature, so creating and utilizing a 4D structure (so no, it's not just spatial hax) capable of holding infinite mass is certainly an H3-A/L2-C feat. I could be misinterpreting what I've read, but if I am, you would need to actually provide evidence of that.
And who said it was a "true" Klein bottle?
And creating a "4D structure", in itself, means nothing under our current tiering system, in which "higher dimensions" aren't interpreted as anything special unless the setting explicitly portrays each higher dimension as immeasurably greater than the preceding one. So in that regard, it literally is still just spatial hax.
As for what a "
true Klein bottle is"...
"A true Klein Bottle lives in 4-dimensions. But every tiny patch of the Klein Bottle is 2-dimensional. In this sense, a Klein Bottle is a 2-dimensional manifold which can only exist in 4-dimensions!"
I'm not sure that translates into anything other than weird spatial hax. Because a "true Klein bottle" is essentially a
2D manifold that is bent and distorted across 4 dimensions of space.
Promestein's statement there was debunking Kaguya's feat and Senkai creation, not Miko's absorption. She believes the feat itself is legitimate, but thinks it's an outlier and is 'weird'. And I find it hard to believe that a universe level feat is an outlier when the next best option is a multi-galaxy feat.
Infinite (haha) universe is still a massive jump from "multi-galaxy". And if you're referring to Suika's "heaven-shattering" when talking about that presumed "multi-galaxy" feat, that's been contested, and ultimately discarded as not anything special.
If you're referring to Tenshi's 4-A heaven-shaking, then lol.
Do you have any proof of this? A single dream containing a recreation of the cosmology is certainly possible, and we know infinite things can fit inside finite objects via weird spatial hax, such as Sakuya making the SDM bigger on the inside.
I don't remember it ever being said that Sakuya made the Scarlet Devil Mansion
infinitely big on the inside, which is just as well, as such a thing would be utterly ridiculous anyway (how could any of the servant fairies get anywhere in particular, are there an infinite number of rooms in this infinitely expansive mansion-realm, etc).
A single dream containing a recreation of the entire Touhou cosmology is "certainly possible", just like how it is "certainly possible" that the Touhou cosmology could collapse entirely from the paradoxes this necessarily self-containing super-dream introduces. Just like it is "certainly possible" that Reimu is a direct descendant of Jesus Christ, Gautama Buddha, Krishna, Confucius, Laozi, and Genghis Khan, and that she has "outerversal" divine power stored within her that she must eventually unlock.
Just like it is "certainly possible" that Yukari Yakumo is actually the manifestation of the conscious, living void beyond all creation, and that the entire Touhou cosmology is barely a transient thought in the perspective of this void.
Just like it is "certainly possible" that Yuuka Kazami actually has the "Body of God" and the entire Touhou cosmology is barely even a subatomic particle on the tips of her toenails.
We can't base an upgrade off of mere possibilities never actually shown, described, or even implied to exist in canon (i.e. fanfiction and headcanon), your attempts to shift burdens of proof notwithstanding.
Anyways, can we please just disregard Malomtek? His arguments are starting to devolve into just insulting characters because he has no actual evidence to dispute anything and assuming staff members have made claims that they did not in fact make.
@Promestein can you tell FYM to stop stirring shit up and stop trying to tell people to ignore me? I'm trying to have a conversation here, but it seems like she just wants some echo chamber.
We dont know how this energys even being produced or if its just created by some magical means and basically functions like a white hole
The best thing to assume is that she created the Lunarian Occult Ball (as well as the others) with her weird causality manipulation powers, and that it basically functions like a white hole
independently of her own power.