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I might recalc this if i have the time
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Some thoughts on the Harry Potter profiles
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Aren't the only ones who react to these lightning are god tiers? I could be misremembering something though. Also I don't see how them being MHS for the verse is a problem specifically if multiple people react to it
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That would be good! Could you possily take a look at some of the feats I've listed earlier, too, if you have time? Most of them probably aren't that great, but I think it's good to get them calced if we're going to make seperate book and movie profiles (which I hope we manage). If you don't have time, or the book format makes it difficult, it's totally fine, obviously!
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It's Newt, some random aurors and the guy who created the tornado we discussed, who reacts to lightning, so they aren't really god tiers. I just don't like characters being that fast if they haven't shown any form of super speed, since it creates all sorts of weird inconcistencies. However, it's better in terms of getting accurate outcomes from match-ups to upgrade wizards' combat speed, since they are equally fast as many characters listed as MHS on here.
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If the lightning-reacting feats are legit and consistent, I don't see a problem
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Yeah, I can accept it, I just don't like when we get to those levels of speed in any relatively grounded verse.
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These are my suggestions after more input, anyway:
- Make seperate book and movie profiles
- Downgrade Dumbledore, Voldemort and Grindelwald to High 8-C (unless any new-calced feat contradicts this)
- Remove anything stating Grindelwald to be superior to Voldemort
- Remove anything stating old Dumbledore to be weaker than before
- Upgrade old Dumbledore to 9-B physically with subsonic (or MHS if the lightning feats are calced and approved) reactions
- Remove "higher in her prime" from McGonagall's profile
- Expand the Powers and abilities-section for most wizards with the appropriate abilities
- Calc the feats presented in this thread
- Add something like "The verse generally ranges from Wall level to Large Building level, though there have been instances of accidental or unconventional use of magic reaching [whatever tier Alderton's feat is] or even [whatever tier Innocenti's feat is]." to the Wizarding World verse page.
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The issue is that Dumbledore is supposed to be the strongest wizard, and it makes little sense for him to be vastly weaker than magicians who are never remarked upon with such significant magnitude.
Hogwarts Mystery shows the spell used for combat. Hogwarts Legacy and Crimes of Grindlewald also show that weather magic can be used for direct offense, which fits with Charles Rookwood creating a rain storm.
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I don't think this is an issue; Dumbledore could most definitely do the same by accident or in those highly specific circumstances, but not reliably in a combat situation, as could nobody else, either.
Weather magic can indeed be used for offense. However, the meteor in question would still be small, and would thus not give that great of an attack potency; according to the American Meteor Society, visible meteors (shooting stars) generally weigh less than 1-2 grams and travel at a speed of up to 72 km/sec. This would be around Wall level.
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Here are the lightning feats:
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How it is not seen? The absence of mass destruction in every single fight only proves area of effect, not that wizards have to be weaker.
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I don't necessarily mean in a fight, as single-target attacks are equally effective in a 1v1, but that we hear of no such destruction at any point in the books. For example, I think we should have heard of Voldemort destroying a muggle town, or something like that, if he was capable of it.
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It is something I always advocated. Harry Potter Wiki has sections of difference between Movie and Novel (e.g. Dumbledore asking calmly).
It would be better to allow their feats to justify their strength as "more powerful" is a vague term which could simply imply that Tom's reign of terror is more destructive rather than his strength. In a word, the statement should not be used as scaling.
It could be a good idea, though it should be noted that VS Battles Wiki has different view from Harry Potter Wiki regarding P&A, meaning that directly copying content is not the best choice. We need to rewrite them in our words and add references to them.
I agree with rest of them. Maybe you could start with a profile of a less controversial character as an example of how the new profile looks like. (e.g. Movie Luna Lovegood, Movie "Pink Toad")
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More powerful means more powerful, so I don't see how it's vague term? Anyway, Voldemort stalemated old Dumbledore (which I have argued here is Dumbledore's prime) with the Elder Wand, while Grindelwald lost to a younger, less experienced Dumbledore while he had the Elder Wand himself. Grindelwald never attacked Britain, because of Dumbledore, while Voldemort fought two wars against Dumbledore. Voldemort also created an army of inferi, which Grindelwald, according to Dumbledore, thought he needed the Resurrection Stone to do. So there certainly are feats to back this statement up.
Yeah, I don't think we should directly copy anything.
Yeah, I can give it a try when I get the time. Unfortunately, I'm a little busy with school at the moment.
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No rush, this is a popular verse and it will take a while to properly order everything.
Yeah, feat one is very clearly reacting to electricity. I don't know our actual standards for lightning, but there was a time when that would be valid.
Second one is a bit more vague. I got the impression that the dodging could be from a number of reasons: It could be genuine, it could be aim-dodging, it might even be Grindelwald missing. After all, these are very mobile targets that are actively trying to make his aim difficult, and he is under very much not ideal conditions.
There are two things I must question. One, is Book of Spells canon? Two, that description is very vague. The expression of dodging is very much not rarely used to describe aim-dodging or just avoiding in general, such as how IRL I see soldiers describing their experiences in the battlefield at times as dodging bullets. I do consider that a supporting feat and maaaybe warrant a "possibly".
Oooh, that is indeed very interesting! It may lead up to some good results.
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Reacting to electricity (not natural thunder) is about March 1, I assume.
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Yeah, I think this is the clearest one, though it could just be normal electricity, and thus be a bit slower (still an upgrade, though).
The whole scene is very chaotic, so, yeah, there likely are a multitude of possible reasons for why they didn't get hit. I'm not sure you can really aim-dodge cloud-to-ground lightning, though?
I think the Book of Spells is considered canon, as J. K. Rowling is credited with "Words and Creative Thoughts". The Harry Potter Wiki also lists it as canon. Again, can you really aim-dodge cloud-to-ground lightning? I agree that how he dodged the lightning is somewhat up to interpretation, though.
I've seen it calced to anywhere between Hypersonic+ and Massively Hypersonic on a few other forums.
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Yeah, aim-dodging isn't the right word here. I don't know if there is an expression for it in english, but I meant more on moving erratically to decrease the likelihood of being hit. Aim-dodging is the closest expression I could think of, my mistake.
Ehhh, I'm not sure. Being credited with something does not equate to canonizing a work among any particular interpretations of the series. Like, an author can still participate in the creation of new games, series and what have you of a series without making it canon to any specific iteration of the series. If I am not mistaken, Rowling was involved in the movies, for example.
I do tend to trust wikis, but I'd require some harder evidence.
It makes sense. Even if it took a reasonably long time, I'd still expect Supersonic or more.
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No problem! Your suggestion sounds logical, too.
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure of its canonicity, though, in my opinion, there's more evidence pointing towards it being canon than not.
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Hogwarts Legacy isn't canon.
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Ah, okay. Anyway, we need to reach some conclusions here, so which feats do you think are the most important to get calced?
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Also, I just (re)discovered that Voldemort didn't transfigure Dumbledore's fire rope into a serpent made of fire, but a normal snake. I was convinced that it was made of fire because of the movie, but apparently it wasn't.
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(I know I'm not providing anything of value to the discussion otherwise so...for what it's worth I think there very much are >>H8-C combat-effective spells, we are missing P&A and the current speed is a lowball at best. Age is sort of a mixed bag, I agree that it implies more knowledge and power but it also means lower phisical durability and possibly lower reactions/combat speed)
Hold the phone right there...the wizards are hard as shit to find and a single dementor stomps humanity almost passively (hyperbole...maybe) and there's a fkton of them....even assuming that the wizards get slaughtered in any direct confrontation (something I disagree with on the simple basis of teleportation, invisibility, forcefields stronger than most conventional weapons with the speed to put them up and more) that's when they decide to go write a flaming "dementors GG" in the sky of every city while those things incapacitate/kill every....one honestly.
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I agree that wizards likely can reach higher levels of destructive capacity over time or when collaborating, but I don't think an attack with instantaneous effect from a single wizard could exceed High-8C.
Yeah, wizards are underrepresented in the P&A-section. I'm conflicted on the speed thing, though there certainly are feats that could warrant a higher speed rating.
Yeah, I agree that knowledge and, thus, power increases with age. On the other hand, I don't think durability and speed get notably affected before reaching extreme age, as the characters depicted as frail are generally considerably older than even Dumbledore.
As for the perpetual wizards vs muggles debate, I agree. Wizards are far too haxed for muggles to handle in most direct confrontations. Further, there likely wouldn't even be an open war, as the wizards would fight from the shadows (invisibility, literal muggle repelling spells, etc.) and could likely just take over all important muggle institutions with mind hax before the muggles even know they're at war. This is a bit besides the point, though.
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Didn't the dementors create a storm in the 6th book iirc
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I think he's talking about the breeding of dementors creating an unnatural fog in July.
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Ah, okay, that would make sense.
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ye this, but was referring to a movie profile since they created some clouds in the movie
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It is true that the wizarding world doesn't have a mana system, but the scale and potency of spells depends on the wizards individual skill and talent. So the more skilled and talented they are, the more larger scale of the spell they can perform which likely applies to all spells. The fogging spell(Nebulus) isn't meant to be a city fill fog spell by default but just a fog spell that even much less powerful/skilled and talented witch and wizards can perform like the magic awakened students being able to cast the same spell in a much smaller scale but dumbledore being skilled as he is can perform the spell to such lvl. So fog feat and the berlin pocket dimension feat should scale to Ap.
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But also according to the cursed child which is sadly also tier 1 canon, adds a upgraded time turner that can control time magic without the limit of 5hours and even go foward in time to get back where they started anytime the user wants with it being perfectly stable.
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Not really, the Death entity that appears in the 3rd trial is a being that exists inside the pocket dimension that niam created inside a book. Even the elderwand, the cloak of invisibility, and the resurrection stone are all creations that niam made for the trials and therefore not the legit ones. Tho, this would be a feat for niam as well as other keepers of creating magical artifacts and sentient beings from human to giant size that can fight even using magic.
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I agree on the first part, but I disagree that we can scale completely different spells with their own individual effects and purposes to each other. We don't have any evidence or even indication that it is possible to use destructive spells of such a level.
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And there's also a depulso feat of Herodiana Bryne who performed it on a darkwizard from the Alps(the largest and highest mountain range in Europe) to Durmbstrang Castle in the far north of Europe.
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