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Some Gen 4 Legendary Revisions

while thats true, its probably hyperbole, because Vicyini's other dex entries, and the one that is pushed much more is, This Pokémon brings victory. It is said that Trainers with Victini always win, regardless of the type of encounter.

Probably why darkrai wanted it.
 
Yes but logically, having unlimited power could and very likely would give you endless victory anyways. Unless Victini really does do it through some kind of victory concept or fate hax.

Also IIRC Darkrai wanted it because of its "power". Darkrais only plan in this game was creating a vortex to merge Pokepark and Wish Park into a new world. Its possible he wanted Victini's power to do that so he wouldnt even need to waste his own power doing the feat in the end. But I could be wrong, it depends on what inteepretation of Victini's power we accept more.
 
Yes but what would he use it for? The only ones who could oppose them were Pikachu, Oshawott Snivy and Tepig and he pretty much left it up to Gothitelle and her pre-evolutions to beat them.

And everyone else Darkrai was able to, erm, curbstomp. Haxorus and Hydreigon know that all to well since Darkrai flicked them away.
 
Then that would mean Victini's power or hax would work on a 2-C scale in that game. So we got two things:

One could be power, and that would flat out make this specific Victini 2-C

Or

It could be hax, then we can say Victini is either 2-C via hax or its fate/victory manipulation works on 2-C's, like what he did for Hoopa once before with its mind hax.
 
As long as its just this specific Victini and not ones like core games or movie Victini, I don't see the issue. But I'll let Cal say why he disagrees first.
 
Exactly, we start doing that for different legendaries than why have composite at all? Theres clearly enough media to keep them seperate if we can do files on theur lonesome.
 
Because not all Mewtwo's are High 4-C, this is why that key doesn't scale to the legendaries from other continuities.
 
What Dark said. If accepted, only this Victini specifically would be 2-C and unlike the case with Mewtwo, where no other legendary can scale, Reshiram and Zekrom are legendaries that can scale here since in Pokepark 2 their regarded as the strongest pokemon aside from Darkrai.
 
I really don't think that it's a good idea honestly. The difference with Darkrai is that Darkrai is tier 2 with a lot of consistency. Even then, Victini isn't doing any tier 2 feat. It's just that it brings victory. It can't fate manip the universal fusion feat out of nowhere nor can it perform it by itself
 
@Kaltias

Yes, but the problem is if that is true, then why would Darkrai even want it in the first place then? 2-C anything is literally infinitely above any tier under it. Even High 3-A would get laughed at by a 2-C.

If Victini was that much weaker or too weak to be considered an asset, then Darkrai wouldn't have wasted his or Gothitelle's time in capturing it in the first place.

Also, 2-C via a hax is still a thing. Or Victinis fate manipulating can simply work against 2-Cs. We did the same thing for Hoopa before upgrading him and he was what, Tier 6 on his own at best? And yet we accepted his mind hax working on the sealed Trio.
 
Also, Kyurem wouldn't scale off of this actually.

Kyurem is created explicitly and only through the power of the DNA splicers. They don't exist in the pokepark world at all.
 
2-C via hax means that your hax can cause 2-C events, for example Heaven Ascension DIO is 2-A via hax because he can reality warp an infinite multiverse. Not that it can affect 2-C. Otherwise we would have 2-B via hax Sans, 2-A via hax Homura Akemi, etc
 
@Kaltias

Not true. Hoopa before had mind control on a Low 2-C scale for effecting the sealed Trio.

It doesn't need to cause Low 2-C events to be of that scale, it can also be given that for just simply effecting someone of that caliber.

In addition, Victini purpose is to give power to others to strengthen them. Darkrai more than likely wanted Victinis power to do the 2-C feat for him much much more easily than him needing to expel his own power later on. Otherwise Victini would be completely useless to him.
 
Because Pikachu, Tepig Oshawott and Snivy defeated the attraction that Gothitelle set up for them and she promised to give Victini back if they passed it, which they did.

It's not a matter of Darkrai can't do it without Victini at all. Darkrai could do it either way. It's a matter of what's easier and obviously using another strong source of power to do it for you so you don't need to lift a finger is a common option. And this is Victini we are talking about.
 
Mind controlling a Low 2-C =/= Low 2-C via hax

Again, 2-B via hax Sans, 2-A via hax Homura, 1-B via hax Materium Emprah. And never said that you need to cause an event on this scale. I said that it doesn't warrant a tier.

And Victini has nothing making it comparable to the guy who is the most consistent tier 2 Pokemon outside the CT.

I'm for the "can fate manip 2-C's" interpretation personally
 
Not as effortlessly as you think. Yes it was fairly easily but the vortex didn't just appear immediately. It slowly started to form and swallow up the 2 universes.

Darkrai very likely wanted Victini's power so that, once using it, the vortex would appear rather instantly.
 
Then we can just pull a Mewtwo and make this speicific Victini 2-C via [Insert Here] and just make it unscalable to everyone else. Leaving the other Victini where they are.

Kyurem doesnt scale because he literally doesnt and cant exist in this game.

The swords of justice, same thing.

The only ones who possibly could are Reshiram and Zekrom, whom are much much stronger than their other incarnations.

Edit: or "can fate manip 2-Cs". Either one is good.
 
Simply put, i'm against it because since the profile is composite, giving a tier for that particular game where Victini is OP doesn't make sense. Either it's consistent or it isn't. If anything, I want Mewtwo to be an exception in that regard
 
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