PvZ 2-B Removal

[StarShooter80]

Dream Arena isn't 2-B​

Should be straight forward, as of this thread we accepted the Dream Arena to be a 2-B structure, due to it being the merge of all of the dreamworld (there being billions of amounts for every human), which are Low 2-C structures themselves (being infinite in size as they can hold that many beings or objects within them, with people from the outside world being able to interact with it proving it's physical, and being referred to as worlds in general)

However, multiple Low 2-C structures merged into one would just create an even larger Low 2-C structure, as per the FAQ page:

And for the other way around, if two timelines get merged into one, then they are the same universe only after they were fused.
In those cases, the destruction of any one timeline is only counted if it was not connected to any other timeline for an infinite amount of time. Otherwise, if there are several timelines none of which are separate for an infinite amount of time, they would all be counted as just one timeline for the purpose of tiering their destruction or creation.

Meaning multiple space-times being merged into one would just result in a larger space-time that's still Low 2-C, again each of these worlds in the dream arena aren't separated they're merged, even being shown to reside in the same sort of bubble on the chalk board representation, all being serviced by the same 4th temporal dimension.

The Feat Isn't 2-B either​

Even if we were to assume that each of the Dreamworlds that were merged into the dream arena were still Low 2-C in their own right (which they're not) the durability feat in question is only accounting for the destruction of Crazy Dave's own Dreamworld, not the rest of the Dream Arena itself which was still standing. So this feat would actually just be Low 2-C, or more accurately High 3-A for reasons listed in the previous segment of the dreamworlds no longer being Low 2-C individually after the merge.

So overall:

• Dreamworlds individually (Pre-merge): Low 2-C overall with High 3-A space
• Dreamworlds individually (Post-merge): High 3-A overall
• The Dream Arena: Low 2-C overall with High 3-A space
• The zombie's surviving the destruction of a post-merged Dreamworld: High 3-A
• Complete removal for possibly 2-B ratings for both all the profiles and Dream Arena

Agree: Youngwolf-0.1, Saqphire, TheGreatJedi13, KingTempest, Qawsedf234

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

i have to i disagree as Patrice very specifically say that Dave created an completely different newer dreamworld that shares and is completely merged with all of the rest dreamworlds into one which narratively makes sense as the plants needed to be able to fight on neutral ground with the grounds so they couldn't have their powers nullified nor have their stats reduced by the zombies once they entered an dream they has control over added in that after this happened it more so shown that the zombies and dave just rather remade it after it was completely destroyed as it was just an white void with nothing in it until everything was remade again.

but

However, multiple Low 2-C structures merged into one would just create an even larger Low 2-C structure, as per the FAQ page:

but going based off of this i guess it could be nerfed to high 3-A unless the admins/mods have something to say about this

 

[AyOgUyS]

However, multiple Low 2-C structures merged into one would just create an even larger Low 2-C structure, as per the FAQ page:

I'm 99% sure this only applies in cases where all the space-times are actually under the same temporal dimension. That might change things methinks.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

I'm 99% sure this only applies in cases where all the space-times are actually under the same temporal dimension. That might change things methinks.

so how would this affect the dream area?

 

[AyOgUyS]

so how would this affect the dream area?

if each dream has its own time dimension: then the dream area would keep its 2-B rating
if not: the dream area gets downgraded to Low 2-C

 

[StarShooter80]

I'm 99% sure this only applies in cases where all the space-times are actually under the same temporal dimension. That might change things methinks.

And the realms wouldn't? They aren't separated so they'd work under the same temporal dimension, it wouldn't make sense for there to be multiple temporal dimensions covering parts of one 3-D space. That's the standard for space-times being merged into one

i have to i disagree as Patrice very specifically say that Dave created an completely different newer dreamworld that shares and is completely merged with all of the rest dreamworlds into one which narratively makes sense as the plants needed to be able to fight on neutral ground with the grounds so they couldn't have their powers nullified nor have their stats reduced by the zombies once they entered an dream they has control over added in that after this happened it more so shown that the zombies and dave just rather remade it after it was completely destroyed as it was just an white void with nothing in it until everything was remade again.

What point is this against specifically?

 

[AyOgUyS]

And the realms wouldn't? They aren't separated so they'd work under the same temporal dimension, it wouldn't make sense for there to be multiple temporal dimensions covering parts of one 3-D space. That's the standard for space-times being merged into one

idk enough abt the mechanics of the PvZ cosmology to comment on that I'm just bringing it up

 

[StarShooter80]

idk enough abt the mechanics of the PvZ cosmology to comment on that I'm just bringing it up

The dreamworld & arena and the context behind it is entirely from the one comic volume it was introduced in, PvZ fan already posted the whole thing on youtube so you can check it out there

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

What point is this against specifically?

That it only affected daves dreamworld as it made clear that all of the other dreamworlds were competely merged into one bigger newer shared dreamworld made up of all of the other dreamworlds (through i am getting 2 more comics which one is about dreams again which could give more context how they work)

 

[StarShooter80]

That it only affected daves dreamworld as it made clear that all of the other dreamworlds were competely merged into one bigger newer shared dreamworld made up of all of the other dreamworlds (through i am getting 2 more comics which one is about dreams again which could give more context how they work)

My fault on that but the point still stands on the cosmo downgrade overall which was my main point

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

My fault on that but the point still stands on the cosmo downgrade overall which was my main point

So will it just he degraded into low 2-c or just high 3-A now?

 

[StarShooter80]

So will it just he degraded into low 2-c or just high 3-A now?

High 3-A as a durability feat, Low 2-C for the Dream Arena structure

Basically 2-C will be the full norm

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

High 3-A as a durability feat, Low 2-C for the Dream Arena structure

Basically 2-C will be the full norm

Well that seems fine through i make an another upgrade thread in the near future specifically focusing more on the tier 2-b to 2-a stuff.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

I think the downgrade reasoning makes sense. If the Dreamworlds were merged and now function under the same temporal dimension, then they would count as a single spacetime rather than multiple separate ones. In that case, the structure would remain Low 2-C instead of qualifying for 2-B.

Additionally, if the feat only involves the destruction of one post-merged Dreamworld while the rest of the Dream Arena remained intact, then scaling it to 2-B wouldn’t be consistent with how separate timelines are counted. Unless there’s clear evidence that the Dreamworlds remain independent space-time continua after the merge, Low 2-C seems like the safer rating.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

I think the downgrade reasoning makes sense. If the Dreamworlds were merged and now function under the same temporal dimension, then they would count as a single spacetime rather than multiple separate ones. In that case, the structure would remain Low 2-C instead of qualifying for 2-B.

Additionally, if the feat only involves the destruction of one post-merged Dreamworld while the rest of the Dream Arena remained intact, then scaling it to 2-B wouldn’t be consistent with how separate timelines are counted. Unless there’s clear evidence that the Dreamworlds remain independent space-time continua after the merge, Low 2-C seems like the safer rating.

this down below should give some more context on this.

i have to i disagree as Patrice very specifically say that Dave created an completely different newer dreamworld that shares and is completely merged with all of the rest dreamworlds into one which narratively makes sense as the plants needed to be able to fight on neutral ground with the grounds so they couldn't have their powers nullified nor have their stats reduced by the zombies once they entered an dream they has control over added in that after this happened it more so shown that the zombies and dave just rather remade it after it was completely destroyed as it was just an white void with nothing in it until everything was remade again.

That it only affected daves dreamworld as it made clear that all of the other dreamworlds were completely merged into one bigger newer shared dreamworld made up of all of the other dreamworlds.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

this down below should give some more context on this.

I understand what you’re saying, but I think that explanation actually supports Low 2-C rather than 2-B. If Patrice states that all the dreamworlds were completely merged into one bigger, newer shared dreamworld, then by definition that becomes a single unified spacetime. Under the tiering rules, once multiple space-times are fully fused and operate under the same temporal dimension, they are treated as one continuum, not multiple separate ones. The destruction turning everything into a white void and then being remade would just indicate the destruction and recreation of that single merged structure. That’s consistent with Low 2-C, not 2-B.

For 2-B to apply, the dreamworlds would need to remain independent, separate space-time continua after the merge. But if they are explicitly “completely merged into one,” then that separation no longer exists.

So unless there’s proof they still function as distinct timelines within the merge, Low 2-C seems more consistent with the standards.

 

[Saqphire]

Did yall change it in that wiki as well? Anyways, agree with the proposals ig

 

[StarShooter80]

Did yall change it in that wiki as well? Anyways, agree with the proposals ig

Idk if your standards for merged space-times are the same, if they are then yeah

 

[StarShooter80]

Bump

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

shouldn't the act of merging it still qualifies for 2-B if they are indeed separate

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

shouldn't the act of merging it still qualifies for 2-B if they are indeed separate

As shown in the comments(mainly my comments) they were all rather competely merged and fused together into an massively bigger new shared dreamworld.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

what i meant is that the thing that Crazy Dave created that allowed the dreamworld to be merged in the first place would still be 2-B for being able to do it

so if each dreamworld is still low 2-C. That device would still have such potency for affecting multiple separate realm and merging them into 1

 

[StarShooter80]

so if each dreamworld is still low 2-C. That device would still have such potency for affecting multiple separate realm and merging them into 1

That'd only apply to the device he used which wouldn't scale to anything else

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

what i meant is that the thing that Crazy Dave created that allowed the dreamworld to be merged in the first place would still be 2-B for being able to do it

so if each dreamworld is still low 2-C. That device would still have such potency for affecting multiple separate realm and merging them into 1

I guess it still can scale to the infinity mechs and likely sunflower due them being the most powerful thing in the universe by wog/the gnomes and solar flazer being called this

 

[StarShooter80]

I guess it still can scale to the infinity mechs and likely sunflower due them being the most powerful thing in the universe by wog/the gnomes and solar flazer being called this

Those statements were both pre-BfN with this comic being post-BfN era stuff

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

That'd only apply to the device he used which wouldn't scale to anything else

yeah so at the very least, Crazy Dave gets to keep it. as optional equipment, since I doubt it is in his general equipment

If low 2-C is true for individual dreamworlds

eitherway it does make sense it being merged would only be low 2-C and alongside durability scaling, only to what is shown in the dream world.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

Those statements were both pre-BfN with this comic being post-BfN era stuff

I feel like this can still technically apply as we know that both the plants and zombies grow massively Stronger overtime added in that the gnomes technology are narratively and in universe is superior to both zomboss and Crazy Dave's in every way so it could still maybe scale to them.

 

[StarShooter80]

I feel like this can still technically apply as we know that both the plants and zombies grow massively Stronger overtime added in that the gnomes technology are narratively and in universe is superior to both zomboss and Crazy Dave's in every way so it could still maybe scale to them.

If they don't actually have any feats for why they would scale then they just don't

 

[KingTempest]

Yeah if this is what the 2-B rating is based off then it gotta go. Multiple merged Low 2-Cs is just 1 Low 2-C, that's why it's merged.

So yeah this is fine

 

[Qawsedf234]

The OP is correct. Once the realms are merged they're just Low 2-C.

 

[Plants_vs_zombies_fan101]

So the feat is now officially another low 2-c feat

 

[StarShooter80]

Accepted and grace I'll just get to the edits now