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Some Gen 4 Legendary Revisions

With all due respect ofc, why would Mewtwo be an exception over Victini?

Pokepark Victini being 2-C and Manga (forgot name) Mewtwo being High 4-C is no different in this situation.
 
Honestly, because why have composite profiles? Is the reason for composite because there isn't enough showings to make a case by case profile for each incarnation? Start doing that then the reason they exist is nulled.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Honestly, because why have composite profiles? Is the reason for composite because there isn't enough showings to make a case by case profile for each incarnation? Start doing that then the reason they exist is nulled.
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^ This.
 
Here is the thread just incase- https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/864234

But for now I keep my stance on what I said. Mewtwo being High 4-C in a manga and Victini being 2-C in a Pokepark game, tiers ridiculously beyond anything their other incarnations could dish out, is no different. So unless a good explanation is made to set a difference, we either need to get rid of Mewtwo's Tier 4 rating or add in Victini's.

Or, if the former does not work out, can't we just make a separate page for Pokepark Victini? Pokepark is basically just another Mystery Dungeon. That which is a pokemon only world, pokemon talk, is completely different from the core games (humans aren't even a concept in Pokepark), etc etc. And we already accepted separate MD pages for Pokemon of that game. So I think Pokepark pages could be a thing so we can separate them from the composite ones.
 
If we do that I'm expecting anime, game, adventures profiles to be separated too then.

And higher than anything they can dish out? Anime Mewtwos best feat is only like baseline island, like 3 gigatons.
 
Well as Cal explained, going that far was decided to be a huge no.

Okay? What does that change? Manga Mewtwo is High 4-C so yes its ridiculously beyond any other Mewtwo in the franchise.
 
Same goes for every other incarnation, anime, manga and games are litterally tiers apart. Pokken Mewtwo is like a billion times stronger than anime, mystery dungeon a million higher than that. Game Groudon planet, adventures country, anime island.

If we start doing this for numerous Pokemon we can't just ignore the rest, no cherry picking here.
 
Well the latter isn't true at all. Game Groudon is all around High 6-A from what I remember.

The rest could be fair but it wasn't and isn't my call to make. So either Mewtwo's Tier 4 key is taken out or Victini's Tier 2 key is put in.

Also, incase you didn't get to this, making a separate page for Victini is still a thing if the above does not go well.
 
Evidence that Victini is actually Tier 2 is still needed. I'm still for the "can fate manip 2-C's" interpretation
 
So, just Fate manipulation... You don't give tiers for hax unless it's a very specific occasion. Kid Lucemon isn't 2-C via sealing.
 
Well Darkrai still very clearly wanted Victini to supply the needed 2-C power for him so he wouldn't need to do it and make his plan all the more easier. Theres literally no other point to acquiring Victini than this.
 
The real cal howard said:
So, just Fate manipulation... You don't give tiers for hax unless it's a very specific occasion. Kid Lucemon isn't 2-C via sealing.
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Kid lucemon 2-C

Falldown mode: At least Low 2-C.

Bruh.
 
Okay. Should we start adding the stuff that was accepted already? There's still a bit more to discuss but we should get the others put of the way just so we won't forget about them.
 
Anymore thoughts on Darkrais regen being a thing?

Unless someone has anything new to show otherwise, its been proven Oracion was what restored the town not Palkia she only needed to move it back to the real world. And Darkrai's erasure was far beyond the scope of Oracions healing so theres no way it was good enough to ressurect him. Making it very likely that he came back on his own.
 
Accepted:

CT, LT, & LD are 2-C.

Heal Block negates Mid Godly.

Darkrai can teleport.

Still debating:

Darkrai has Mid-Godly

Arceus has Mid Godly

Victini in general.
 
2-C Creation Trio, Lunar Duo and Lake Trio.

Heal Block is Mid-Godly negging.

Teleportation for Darkrai, Fate Manipulation for Victini.

Not sure about the regen thing
 
We could also add to Giratina's profile which is capable of bypassing shields and precognition via Shadow Force.
 
@Ever

Negates every healing/regen/resurrection in the verse. Darkrai returned after being erased, so it negates the return from nonexistence aka Mid-Godly regen
 
NeoZex6399 said:
We could also add to Giratina's profile which is capable of bypassing shields and precognition via Shadow Force.
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Shadow Force has also had a 50% chance of negating the next thing the opponent does, ability, move, or otherwise.
 
I mean, as it stands right now it's Mid-High negging because the best Regenerationn is Mid-High. Dunno if there is a more accurate statement, but Heal Block is used to prevent any form of healing in the games
 
Key word being "healing".

I'm extremely dubious on us buffing Heal Block that much without any actual feats.
 
Also the Creacion Trio should have Soul Manipulation among other abilities because they were going to remove and eliminate the spirit of all living beings, besides the Distortion World dragged the spirits of Archie and Maxie in the manga.
 
Restoring from nonexistence is still just Mid Godly healing. And Dialga/Arceus still did that even without Darkrai.
 
@Cal

Erm... no it isn't?

Show me an explicit scene of any Heal Block user negating Mid-Godly regen.
 
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