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Some Gen 4 Legendary Revisions
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So, how are the upgrades going?
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For the most part, it's accepted that the Sealed Creation Trio, the Lake Trio, and the Lunar Duo scale to Darkrai's multi-universal fusion feat.
I wanna talk more about that Arceus thing tho...
I wanna talk more about that Arceus thing tho...
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What about Darkrai's Mid-Godly regen?
I proved Oracion was what restored the towns form and that Palkia just moved it back into the real world. So his regen feat should be legitimate.
I proved Oracion was what restored the towns form and that Palkia just moved it back into the real world. So his regen feat should be legitimate.
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Can this be applied?
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If that was the case wouldn't oracion of brought darkrai else if it did so to everything else.
All of which were subject to the same way of destruction as darkrai, ie turning onto pink particles.
All of which were subject to the same way of destruction as darkrai, ie turning onto pink particles.
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Nah because Oracion was shown to first stop the town's erasure by haulting it and THEN restored the towns form. It likely couldn't revive anything ''already completely'' erased. But thats just my take on it.
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At this point, yeah.
Darkrai @ 2-C. Cresselia is equal.
Lake Trio are somewhere near.
The Creation Trio are individually a stronger than Darkrai by a noticeable amount, but not enough to no-sell his attacks and for him to survive theirs.
Incomplete Arceus is scaled to him stirring in his sleep causing his dimension to shake, and the dimensions that Palkia and Dialga embody to collide, and shitstomping all three of them.
Darkrai @ 2-C. Cresselia is equal.
Lake Trio are somewhere near.
The Creation Trio are individually a stronger than Darkrai by a noticeable amount, but not enough to no-sell his attacks and for him to survive theirs.
Incomplete Arceus is scaled to him stirring in his sleep causing his dimension to shake, and the dimensions that Palkia and Dialga embody to collide, and shitstomping all three of them.
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It did restore things completely erased.
Those parts of the town? Still gone.
Those parts of the town? Still gone.
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The town wasn't completely erased it simply haulted the erasure and reversed it with its power, therefore restoring the town to normal.
Darkrai had literally none of his existence left behind, he was erased long before Oracion got put up.
In other words, the ladder had nothing for Oracion to go off of to restore him, while the former was still existing just in the process of being erased and Oracion reversed it to save it.
Darkrai had literally none of his existence left behind, he was erased long before Oracion got put up.
In other words, the ladder had nothing for Oracion to go off of to restore him, while the former was still existing just in the process of being erased and Oracion reversed it to save it.
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Dude, not quite how it works, those parts of the bridge, buildings, etc.
All gone, destroyed, they didn't exist, just because they exist within a town doesn't mean they are it, they're still seperate things, same with the trees, water, and more. Under that logic darkrai falls under the town umbrella too.
All gone, destroyed, they didn't exist, just because they exist within a town doesn't mean they are it, they're still seperate things, same with the trees, water, and more. Under that logic darkrai falls under the town umbrella too.
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Except Darkrai is an entirely different thing. A pokemon for one and a living creature.
Plus the erased buildings and stuff were kinda tied into the towns own erasure. When the erasure started the outskirts of the town were being erased which then spread to everything else as it kept going.
Also im highly certain Oracion only showed to restore the town. Not anyone specifically gone, which was just Darkrai.
Plus the erased buildings and stuff were kinda tied into the towns own erasure. When the erasure started the outskirts of the town were being erased which then spread to everything else as it kept going.
Also im highly certain Oracion only showed to restore the town. Not anyone specifically gone, which was just Darkrai.
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>living.
>what are trees
See that's the thing, it could of, if it did restore darkrai then it dud show it, because he shows up at the end. Also oracion healed Palkia's wound too. Which means it does effect Pokemon.
>what are trees
See that's the thing, it could of, if it did restore darkrai then it dud show it, because he shows up at the end. Also oracion healed Palkia's wound too. Which means it does effect Pokemon.
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"Living creature"
Yes but that can also be that Darkrai just came back on his own, otherwise why not continue to fight Palkia n Dialga if Oracion restored him? The only point on it effecting Pokemon is healing Palkias wound and while that is impressive, it only restored damage. Not something erased from existence and those 2 are resistant to it anyhow.
Yes but that can also be that Darkrai just came back on his own, otherwise why not continue to fight Palkia n Dialga if Oracion restored him? The only point on it effecting Pokemon is healing Palkias wound and while that is impressive, it only restored damage. Not something erased from existence and those 2 are resistant to it anyhow.
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>continue to fight
>while both dialga and Palkia are no longer hostile, and dialga is already gone.
Why would he continue to fight them?
We see it can restore things that were erased from existence, we see it can restore living things erased from existence, we see it can effect Pokemon as it healed Palkia's wound. What says it didn't restore darkrai.
>while both dialga and Palkia are no longer hostile, and dialga is already gone.
Why would he continue to fight them?
We see it can restore things that were erased from existence, we see it can restore living things erased from existence, we see it can effect Pokemon as it healed Palkia's wound. What says it didn't restore darkrai.
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Darkrai wouldn't have known that since the second Oracion started restoring the town, if he got restored by it, he would have assumed they were still enemies fighting and would go right back to fighting them. Not to mention if Oracion restored him then he would have been witnessed to have come back from it from Ash and co. or the town folk n wild pokemon.
Well we established that healing something and restoring something from erased existence weren't the same thing and while both are living pokemon are very much not the same thing as trees. Particularly Darkrai in this case.
Well we established that healing something and restoring something from erased existence weren't the same thing and while both are living pokemon are very much not the same thing as trees. Particularly Darkrai in this case.
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>wouldn't of known
If he had eyes he would, doesn't take a genius to see they're not fighting.
Why would they see him come back? Hes not getting brought back right in front of their face.
Yeah no, it can restore living and inanimate objects, thats not arguable, anf it can effect something far above darkrai. Im not agreeing with this regen when it could have neen a number of other things.
If he had eyes he would, doesn't take a genius to see they're not fighting.
Why would they see him come back? Hes not getting brought back right in front of their face.
Yeah no, it can restore living and inanimate objects, thats not arguable, anf it can effect something far above darkrai. Im not agreeing with this regen when it could have neen a number of other things.
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Looking around, it seems like the restoration happened prior to everyone lamenting about Darkrai.
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Tension my man.
And didn't oracion heal darkrai in a flashback anyway?
And didn't oracion heal darkrai in a flashback anyway?
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No, he'd need to figure it out. Simply seeing them would allow him to assume otherwise given he's already fought them.
Certainly he would. The entire town is clearly restored in front of everyone, Darkrai is no different if he got restored by it. Assuming otherwise needs evidence, there's no reason why Oracion would restore him and not one person all over town would see it happen.
Sealed Palkia or Dialga are definitely not far above Darkrai individually. He can fight both of them, damage both of them and even stop their signature moves at the same time. Both at once may be a different story but individually Darkrai can match them without difficulty. So in fact, Oracion wouldnt even be able to restore him going by this. It only showed restoring a small bit of damage on Palkia made by Dialga (which isnt much since Palkia walked it off like nothing happened). It took multiple hits from their most powerful moves to even erase Darkrai.
Certainly he would. The entire town is clearly restored in front of everyone, Darkrai is no different if he got restored by it. Assuming otherwise needs evidence, there's no reason why Oracion would restore him and not one person all over town would see it happen.
Sealed Palkia or Dialga are definitely not far above Darkrai individually. He can fight both of them, damage both of them and even stop their signature moves at the same time. Both at once may be a different story but individually Darkrai can match them without difficulty. So in fact, Oracion wouldnt even be able to restore him going by this. It only showed restoring a small bit of damage on Palkia made by Dialga (which isnt much since Palkia walked it off like nothing happened). It took multiple hits from their most powerful moves to even erase Darkrai.
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Dude, seeing them being non hostile, not fighting and even being chill towards ash. Unless you're saying darkrai lacks the ability to read the mood and see the fight is over.
Who's yo say no onevsern darkrai get ressurect? A few thousand people ain't the 5 it matters to.
Also Palkia litterally ran from dialga, that was a major wound, walking it off? Theres a reason he brought the town to a Different dimension.
Who's yo say no onevsern darkrai get ressurect? A few thousand people ain't the 5 it matters to.
Also Palkia litterally ran from dialga, that was a major wound, walking it off? Theres a reason he brought the town to a Different dimension.
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And Darkrai is suddenly going to know that why? He'd just been literally ressurected from being erased. To him, the fight would still be happening until someone told him it was over or Dialga left. Plus, even if they arent fighting Palkia was still there and Darkrai kinda attacked Palkia just for being in the town at first. It wouldn't be unbelievable for him to do that again, especially since they just killed him.
Somewhere in Alamos Town Darkrai would be restored if he really was and someone would logically have to see him come back out of nowhere.
Visably wise Palkia showed absolutely no signs of fatigue or being effected by the injury. Yes, he was injured but its not as significant as many think. Even so, that would still be far far less damage than what Darkrai got. Heck you could technically even argue that since Palkia got a small crack on its body while Darkrai tanked everything up to being erased, he has more durability than either one of them (individually of course but this would likely get a huge no). So we cant assume Oracion can suddenly restore damage from the both of them when at best it only showed restoring the bit of damage Palkia got from Roar of Time.
Somewhere in Alamos Town Darkrai would be restored if he really was and someone would logically have to see him come back out of nowhere.
Visably wise Palkia showed absolutely no signs of fatigue or being effected by the injury. Yes, he was injured but its not as significant as many think. Even so, that would still be far far less damage than what Darkrai got. Heck you could technically even argue that since Palkia got a small crack on its body while Darkrai tanked everything up to being erased, he has more durability than either one of them (individually of course but this would likely get a huge no). So we cant assume Oracion can suddenly restore damage from the both of them when at best it only showed restoring the bit of damage Palkia got from Roar of Time.
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Because darkrai has the intelligence of a normal person and van see there's no threat?
Someone probably did, doesn't mean the main cast did.
Palkia had to run, he was injured to the point of needing to retreat. Also you're missing the point, oracion can restore inanimate objects from erasure, livings things from erasure and effect Pokemon. Now combine that.
Someone probably did, doesn't mean the main cast did.
Palkia had to run, he was injured to the point of needing to retreat. Also you're missing the point, oracion can restore inanimate objects from erasure, livings things from erasure and effect Pokemon. Now combine that.
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So your saying if your in the fight with someone whos trying to destroy you, they do just that, and then you get to come back, your not going to immediately assume they are still a threat the instant you come back?
What would the main cast not seeing them have to do with that?
Yes and then as soon as Dialga showed up Palkia fought him agai with literally no difficulties. And its not like Palkia ran immediately after being injured. No matter how bad it was, it still just a single hit from Roar of Time that did that anywho. Darkrai took a Roar of Time at point blank range and got back up with 0 injury and a bunch of other attacks until he was erased. So the scale of Oracions healing (which isnt even ressurecting as noted here) is much much less than the damages Darkrai got.
What would the main cast not seeing them have to do with that?
Yes and then as soon as Dialga showed up Palkia fought him agai with literally no difficulties. And its not like Palkia ran immediately after being injured. No matter how bad it was, it still just a single hit from Roar of Time that did that anywho. Darkrai took a Roar of Time at point blank range and got back up with 0 injury and a bunch of other attacks until he was erased. So the scale of Oracions healing (which isnt even ressurecting as noted here) is much much less than the damages Darkrai got.
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Yes actually, if ya can see clear as day theurs no hostility then yeah, also probably wondering how ya vame back too.
Nevause youre ysing that as an argument, s bikkuon people coukd if seen darkrsi come back, as long as the main cast didnt then theres nothing wrong there.
Also pretty sure palkia ran right after the injury was inflicted and went to heal it. Also youre saying darkrai>>palkia now in durability.
Nevause youre ysing that as an argument, s bikkuon people coukd if seen darkrsi come back, as long as the main cast didnt then theres nothing wrong there.
Also pretty sure palkia ran right after the injury was inflicted and went to heal it. Also youre saying darkrai>>palkia now in durability.
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you kinda can't assume something is hostile just by it standing across from each other. Heck,even being in the same vicinity should .ake Darkrai want to get rid of them. And even if that was the case he still wouldve attacked Palkia like he did the first time.
And how would it not matter? After waiting like a day for Darkrai to come back im highly certain they would ask for his whereabouts and if someone saw him be revived, if he even was, they would have plenty of chances to tell them.
No it didn't it continued to fight. It went to ran to Alamos Town later on. And unless someone comes in to say its a huge no, I'm pretty sure Darkrai has more durability and, well, stats than sealed Palkia or Dialga, individually. This still wouldn't disprove the fact that Oracion has only ever demonstrated healing of one wound inflicted by Dialga. If that's the case, then its not going to do a thing on a pokemon that took so much more damage from both Dialga AND Palkia and before finally getting erased from existence. This would be an NLF on Oracion's part.
And how would it not matter? After waiting like a day for Darkrai to come back im highly certain they would ask for his whereabouts and if someone saw him be revived, if he even was, they would have plenty of chances to tell them.
No it didn't it continued to fight. It went to ran to Alamos Town later on. And unless someone comes in to say its a huge no, I'm pretty sure Darkrai has more durability and, well, stats than sealed Palkia or Dialga, individually. This still wouldn't disprove the fact that Oracion has only ever demonstrated healing of one wound inflicted by Dialga. If that's the case, then its not going to do a thing on a pokemon that took so much more damage from both Dialga AND Palkia and before finally getting erased from existence. This would be an NLF on Oracion's part.
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I also remember that Darkrai recovered quickly from the fight against Cresselia and the protagonist
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Er...no. Darkrai is very clearly below each one individually. He's just close enough that he doesn't get stomped by them
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Fair enough. But he's still close enough to where he took so much more damage than Palkia got from Dialga so the scale of Oracion's healing still wouldn't be able to restore him. And it would be NLF to claim it could at this point.
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Regardless, Heal Block scales to this negging anyway, as it stops all forms of healing in the verse, and restoration from existence erasure is still healing, albeit an OP version of it.
Also, Dialga and Arceus have shown to Heal nonexistence, so I wouldn't be surprised if Palkia did too.
Also, Dialga and Arceus have shown to Heal nonexistence, so I wouldn't be surprised if Palkia did too.
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Yes but we know Palkia didn't do that this time since Oracion already restored the town. So all Palkia was needed to do was bring it back to the real world since that was literally their only way back.
I mean if the majority is against Mid-Godly regen Darkrai I won't refrute it anymore but for now I still believe it's a feat for him.
I mean if the majority is against Mid-Godly regen Darkrai I won't refrute it anymore but for now I still believe it's a feat for him.
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Btw I'm not going against Heal Block doing that incase you thought that Cal.
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Also idk about this but I may have found something that could scale Victini to Pokepark 2 Darkrai, who did the 2-C feat.
Here is a link- https://youtu.be/Qjkga8r__nI
At 7:00 onward, after coming into Wish Park and clearing its attaction to save Victini, Hydriegon and Haxorus complain to Gothitelle that they can't beat Pikachus team and ask for more power. When that fails, they then tell her to give them Victini's power to win. But she turns on them and says she'll give it to her "master" (Darkrai) instead. Confirming that Gothitelle was just using them the whole time just so she could get Victini and bring it to Darkrai to use his power for himself.
Could this possibly make Victini near Darkrai's level given its power was sought out? It would have to be at least notably near Darkrai's level to even be considered an asset to him at all no?
Here is a link- https://youtu.be/Qjkga8r__nI
At 7:00 onward, after coming into Wish Park and clearing its attaction to save Victini, Hydriegon and Haxorus complain to Gothitelle that they can't beat Pikachus team and ask for more power. When that fails, they then tell her to give them Victini's power to win. But she turns on them and says she'll give it to her "master" (Darkrai) instead. Confirming that Gothitelle was just using them the whole time just so she could get Victini and bring it to Darkrai to use his power for himself.
Could this possibly make Victini near Darkrai's level given its power was sought out? It would have to be at least notably near Darkrai's level to even be considered an asset to him at all no?
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Victini kinda just grants victory, it's like fate manip or something, not because it's thst powerful.
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Wow I didnt even get a notif about this...
@Kaltias
I can understand that but Victini is also portrayed aa well for having, well, "unlimited or infinite power". While in fiction thats very much hyperbolic, scaling near Darkrai could possibly support this saying. And isnt Victini the concept of Victory anyway? Not to mention a Pokepark 2 tab for Victini can always be a thing and it doesnt have to equal to Darkrai. Just strong enough to be considered a great asset to him given tier 2's would very much laugh at any tier under them, even High 3-As. But if everyone says nah then its fine.
@TheJ-Man
Like I asked above isnt Victini supposed to be the concept of victory and has unlimited power? And tiers can always be given via hax.
@Kaltias
I can understand that but Victini is also portrayed aa well for having, well, "unlimited or infinite power". While in fiction thats very much hyperbolic, scaling near Darkrai could possibly support this saying. And isnt Victini the concept of Victory anyway? Not to mention a Pokepark 2 tab for Victini can always be a thing and it doesnt have to equal to Darkrai. Just strong enough to be considered a great asset to him given tier 2's would very much laugh at any tier under them, even High 3-As. But if everyone says nah then its fine.
@TheJ-Man
Like I asked above isnt Victini supposed to be the concept of victory and has unlimited power? And tiers can always be given via hax.
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