Some Gen 4 Legendary Revisions

[NeoZex6399]

Heal Block also prevents the use of Recover whose original name is "Self-Regenerationn".

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

What? Yes, that's exactly what restoration is.

And with all due respect (and I mean it truly), no. I won't. Way to many verses get away with X working becaus that's the mechanics of Y and I have to be the one who shows that? That's how Heal Block works, and with your reasoning, it negates Low regen only.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Healing and Regenerationn are definitely not the same thing.

Regardless, show me an explicit instance of Heal Block negating Mid-Godly Regenerationn.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Good thing Heal Block negates healing and Regenerationn. And I edited comment.

 

[The_Everlasting]

"And with all due respect (and I mean it truly), no. I won't. Way to many verses get away with X working becaus that's the mechanics of Y and I have to be the one who shows that? That's how Heal Block works, and with your reasoning, it negates Low regen only."

Two wrongs don't make a right. Show me Heal Block negating Mid-Godly or I'm not budging.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It's a matter of neither being wrong. And you're outvoted, bro.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Calm down people...no need for this thread to go south...

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

We're still being cordial, Dragon.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Why does something thats been a thing for idk how long always errupt with so many issues?

Not offendinf anyone, just asking an honest question.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

We're still being cordial, Dragon.

I can't tell, cuz when it comes to stuff like this, you get...well...y'know....

 

[The_Everlasting]

This is entirely wrong, though. Heal Block has no feats of negating Mid-Godly, and its "mechanics" don't imply anything of the sort.

And?

 

[Reppuzan]

I'm inclined to agree with Ever.

Injuries in Pokemon rarely get more serious than cuts and bruises with the exception of some lost limbs and a poor Arbok in the manga.

Saying that Heal Block will instantly nullify Mid-Godly regen without such a feat being demonstrated is shaky at best.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Remember:

Everyone, please stay civil here.

Whatever happens, you are still getting Pokémon upgraded to 2-C.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It's mechanics imply all viable healing, self caused or otherwise, fail after being targeted. Best healing is Dialga restoring the PMD protagonist and Darkrai being restored by...whatever means. It's mechanics are indeed viable.

This wiki is a democracy. If every revision was stalled by a single admin disagreeing, nearly every Digimon, DBZ character, Sonic character, etc. would be far lower because of my past issues

 

[The_Everlasting]

Dude, just show me it negating Mid-Godly and not giving some roundabout interpretation. It's really not that complicated.

We've had several revisions nearly go through until one person debunked it. This is no different.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

If it's supposed to stop all regen, then it should stop the highest level of regen in the verse. Which would be mid godly.

Also, I'm pretty sure we would at best only allow the CT's Heal Block to do that. The thought of a non legendary stopping mid-godly regen sounds very very silly.

 

[The_Everlasting]

"If it's supposed to stop all regen, then it should stop the highest level of regen in the verse. Which would be mid godly."

No, that's way too speculatory and outright wank.

Seriously, show me Mid-Godly being negated.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

The highest kind of regen shown in the games (And thus that can be blocked by Heal Block) is Mid-High. Nothing higher.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

But what debunks it though? Nothing brought up so far debunks Heal Block doing that whatsoever and we've accepted it doing what we claim it to for idek how long.

Why is it suddenly being questioned now? With all due respect ofc. Like Matt said, being civil is the most important.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

You know that I can't show anything above ''Low''.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Kukui

Something needs to be proven for the chance of it being debunked.

It being accepted for a while means nothing.

@Cal

So?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

The highest kind of regen shown in the games (And thus that can be blocked by Heal Block) is Mid-High. Nothing higher.

And what proves Heal Block cant negate other regens in the verse that it comes from?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Bruh we are talking literal god tiers who have a kind of regen totally different from lowly pokémon.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Saik. Highest healing is Arceus healing a causality erased timeline, follows up with Dialga restoring an erased PMD2 protagonist, followed by Darkrai's thing.

 

[The_Everlasting]

And what proves Heal Block cant negate other regens in the verse that it comes from?

What proves it ca?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Except that Heal Block wasn't shown blocking Arceus' healing. Just Cryogonal's.

 

[NeoZex6399]

We're straying from the main theme...

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Ever. Your point turns too many verses on their heads.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Cal

That's not regen/healing. That's reality warping. You don't "heal" timelines, you restore them, which is entirely different from actually healing someone's wounds or bringing themback from nonexistence.

Right now you're using the Heal Block definition as NLF to the extreme.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Cal

And?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The most Heal Block has shown was negating Blissey using softboiled. Heck, same logic could be used on the trio's powers in general. Show me them explicitly suing time hax on someone equal to them.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

@Ever

The outright mechanics of what the move is literally supposed to do?

@Saikou

Yes and? Dialga, a god tier, also knows the same Heal Block those mon know as well so the move in general being able to stop this level of regen isnt impossible. If anything, simply apply this to Dialgas heal block and not the lower mon, which is what im pretty sure we are arguing for.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Cal

Blissey doesn't "Heal" characters that have been erased from existence.

Heck, no one except Deoxys as demonstrated healing or regen above getting rid of scrapes, cuts, and burns.

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Kukui

"Mechanics" aren't feats. Again, actually show Heal Block negating Mid-Godly.

@Cal

That's not at all what this is.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Reppu. You focused on one instance when I explicitly provided two others following.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Cal

Blissey doesn't "Heal" characters that have been erased from existence.

Heck, no one except Deoxys as demonstrated healing or regen above getting rid of scrapes, cuts, and burns.

Tangrowth. Grimer. Staryu. Cryongal. Slowpoke. Regirock.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Not to mention the Darkrai thing. There's nothing at all that would prove Dialgas Heal Block can't stop Darkrai from regenerating (funny thing, Darkrai didn't even appear again until after Dialga left).

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Vaporeon is Low-High.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

On my side:

I'm against Mid-Godly but Mid-High should stay.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Cal

Both of those are reality warping feats, not healing feats. You don't "heal" a timeline, you restore it. You don't "heal" someone from nonexistence, you restore/resurrect them.

This is a massive difference.