Shovel Knight 2-C

[ZillertheBucko]

In the event that option A gets 9 staff votes and option C gets 7 or something, but the possibly rating and option D get 2 votes each, would the 7 full agrees stack on top of the lessers agreeing options and we’d just end up going with the possibly or different key?

 

[DarkGrath]

In the event that option A gets 9 staff votes and option C gets 7 or something, but the possibly rating and option D get 2 votes each, would the 7 full agrees stack on top of the lessers agreeing options and we’d just end up going with the possibly or different key?

We can cross that bridge if we get to it. Specific circumstances like that are unlikely, and if they do occur, we can address how to handle them when they do. There's no need to discuss it at this point.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Well, that obviously changes things. Thank you for the information.

However, the underlying point, and everything else with it, still applies. We've established a strong precedent in CRTs in the past that, even with explicit statements, we do not take things such as responses to fan questions on Twitter as adequate proof for profile revisions. The old DMC 3-A ratings based on Kamiya's Twitter comments come to mind - we do not give ratings based off of author social media comments even when the depiction in the media is tenuous, let alone contradicted like this.

And furthermore, the problem regarding Death of the Author still applies. The depiction of Kratos in Shovel Knight provably is not the same as the Kratos that would be present at the purported point in the timeline. The media contradicts the author's claims, and in this situation, we would take the media. Without an explanation for these contradictions, we cannot simply take this at face value.

Tbf here the Kamiya situation can't be compared to basically anything and it's mostly because people just decided his response was a troll for vs battles reasons and because Matt had to push hard af to downgrade DMC and claiming lol troll was his only trap card

 

[Ped2018]

Tbf here the Kamiya situation can't be compared to basically anything and it's mostly because people just decided his response was a troll for vs battles reasons and because Matt had to push hard af to downgrade DMC and claiming lol troll was his only trap card

matt moment

 

[StrymULTRA]

In the event that option A gets 9 staff votes and option C gets 7 or something, but the possibly rating and option D get 2 votes each, would the 7 full agrees stack on top of the lessers agreeing options and we’d just end up going with the possibly or different key?

Ye. Preferably the option D though.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I agree with option B and D, as both are almost equally good in my opinion

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Think Option D would make the bosses remain at 8-C tho, no?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Think Option D would make the bosses remain at 8-C tho, no?

Most likely yes

 

[KLOL506]

Apparently Cory has since confirmed that the weapons Kratos has in Shovel Knight are just for the Boss Fight aspect. It means nothing narratively and is not meant to be taken seriously. I will try looking for the source.

EDIT: NVM, it's from the youtube link:


(31m 51s)

 

[StrymULTRA]

Think Option D would make the bosses remain at 8-C tho, no?

Most likely yes

Not really, every Toy Story character has both a Toy Story and a Kingdom Hearts 3 key, so every SK character would have that too.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Not really, every Toy Story character has both a Toy Story and a Kingdom Hearts 3 key, so every SK character would have that too.

Didn't they all appear in KH though? The only one who appears for this is Shovel Knight himself lol

 

[StrymULTRA]

Didn't they all appear in KH though? The only one who appears for this is Shovel Knight himself lol

I am a dumbass, only Buzz and Woody have this treatment.

So only Shovel Knight will get the 2-C key, rest only at 8-C.

My bad, I made a weird ass assumption.

 

[KLOL506]

Apparently Cory has since confirmed that the weapons Kratos has in Shovel Knight are just for the Boss Fight aspect. It means nothing narratively and is not meant to be taken seriously. I will try looking for the source.

EDIT: NVM, it's from the youtube link:


(31m 51s)

The Blades thing starts at around 33m 10s where he addresses that fans would ask about what's up with the Blades in Shovel Knight despite having lost them, and it's where Cory elaborates that he wasn't supposed to have them but they chose to do it anyway, because its purpose was to deliberately show Kratos traveling to another myth without spoiling it was gonna be Norse.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Apparently Cory has since confirmed that the weapons Kratos has in Shovel Knight are just for the Boss Fight aspect. It means nothing narratively and is not meant to be taken seriously. I will try looking for the source.

EDIT: NVM, it's from the youtube link:


(31m 51s)

Doesn’t this just completely debunk the opposition’s entire case

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Apparently Cory has since confirmed that the weapons Kratos has in Shovel Knight are just for the Boss Fight aspect. It means nothing narratively and is not meant to be taken seriously. I will try looking for the source.

EDIT: NVM, it's from the youtube link:


(31m 51s)

Interesting....

 

[DaReaperMan]

Doesn’t this just completely debunk the opposition’s entire case

Eh, it debunks one half of it, the other half is just good old "this is a ******* outlier"

 

[KLOL506]

Eh, it debunks one half of it, the other half is just good old "this is a ******* outlier"

Unfortunately, this.

 

[StrymULTRA]

So, I'll specify again why Option D is the best one to take:

• It only goes to the safe route, creating a new key will prevent breaking the canon SK scaling and lore.
• Will prevent everyone and their mothers to get a 2-C rating outta a random crossover thing which isn't related to them, but only the characters directly involved in this (aka SK himself and none else)
• Will make a compromise between who wants to make this canon and who doesn't.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Maybe the in lore excuse could be something like "this about the time Kratos started learning his magic and weapons are gonna stop working which is why he only has a couple of them left on his person".

 

[Planck69]

I mean, the post KLOL506 makes completely shatters the timeline issues. So, this jus comes down to whether or not this is an outlier.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean, the post KLOL506 makes completely shatters the timeline issues. So, this jus comes down to whether or not this is an outlier.

And to be fair, Option D solves that entirely too.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I favor option D mostly.

 

[Dienomite22]

tbf it doesn’t have to necessarily be an outlier. We’ve seen from the comics how pathetically weak kratos can be when he limits his power and this fight could’ve been one of those instances

 

[KLOL506]

Friendly reminder that regardless of the 4 options you take, SK Kratos still gets merged with Canon Kratos.

 

[KLOL506]

tbf it doesn’t have to necessarily be an outlier. We’ve seen from the comics how pathetically weak kratos can be when he limits his power and this fight could’ve been one of those instances

This too. We know for a fact that Kratos was massively weakened both from the Fallen God comics and Bruno himself hammering it down about the comic that Kratos has just healed from his stomach wound thanks to his Immortality curse, which is why he is so weakened.

 

[ShionAH]

Friendly reminder that regardless of the 4 options you take, SK Kratos still gets merged with Canon Kratos.

Klol I dont think anyone has a problem with that, you repeated that like 5 times already

 

[Lacku]

I agree with flat-out 2-C for Shovel Knight

 

[Lynieryz]

Flat-out FRA

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Just gonna say again, outliers are only outliers if they aren’t doubled down, tripled, quadrupled down whatever by multiple canon sources
it is indeed very very clear that both sides are confirming without a doubt “yeah, shovel knight can keep up with Kratos”

 

[omegabronic]

Worst case scenario, it's an outlier, but it's still canon to the storyline.

Either way, SK Kratos goes. Poof. Bye-Bye. He either gets an SK key where he is essentially his Norse self or he gets merged with his Norse key with a pretty-looking SK artwork render in the tabbers.

Even if it is an outlier, could we still give SK the resistances for kratos' hax?

 

[StrymULTRA]

I mean, the post KLOL506 makes completely shatters the timeline issues. So, this jus comes down to whether or not this is an outlier.

I don't see how this contradicts Option D ngl.

I am against the SK bosses scaling from this, only SK can and only in that specific key.

 

[Planck69]

Even if it is an outlier, could we still give SK the resistances for kratos' hax?

I mean, what hax does he have access to that he uses on Shovel Knight? Other than Fire, Holy and Chaos Manipulation from the Blades I suppose.

 

[Planck69]

Also, if this passes, Shovel Knight will stomp the Tournament of Power and that is hilarious

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Never played god of war…are there any universal energy systems that I should know about? If there’s absolutely any ability that comes from just being in the god of war verse that would be sick

 

[Stefano4444]

Former counting just the SK stuff, latter also canon GoW lore, a bit also how SCP handles it.

Yeah, it probably the best solution if we are going to accept the statements as legit.

 

[Stefano4444]

Never played god of war…are there any universal energy systems that I should know about?

It does, however nearly no one get abilities/resistances via scaling unlike Devil May Cry.

 

[Planck69]

Never played god of war…are there any universal energy systems that I should know about? If there’s absolutely any ability that comes from just being in the god of war verse that would be sick

Magic is a universal energy system that all beings rely on for their statistics and abilities but there's no innate powers associated with it by default. Certain Magic types (Bifrost, Seidr, Energy of Tartarus, Light of Alfheim etc.) have automatic powers but not the standard magic.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Also, if this passes, Shovel Knight will stomp the Tournament of Power and that is hilarious

Shovel Knight on his way to solo FNaF, Bendy and the Ink Machine/Dark Revival, Hello Neighbor, and like, every other popular indie game that came around at that time.

Except maybe Hollow Knight, passives are a bitch.

 

[KLOL506]

Never played god of war…are there any universal energy systems that I should know about?

God of War Magic System Explanation Page

If there’s absolutely any ability that comes from just being in the god of war verse that would be sick

Unfortunately Kratos lost those magics by the end of GoW3 so it's moot. He's just an insanely strong immortal Demigod now.

 

[StrymULTRA]

See? The key thing also helps who doesn't know GoW but just SK. So the SK supporters can just focus on the Shovel Knight only key.