• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

Shovel Knight 2-C

Status
Not open for further replies.
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
That's not what an outlier is.

SK as a verse is consistently Tier 8 to Tier 7, with no lore that suggests anything beyond that scale. The collapse of the Tower of Fate threatened to kill SK iirc. See the problem when we then suggest he was actually tier 2?
Click to expand...
Falling rubble doesn’t have any shot at killing an 8-C dude to begin with, so that’s not a valid angle. People tend to forget how many hundreds of times more durable an 8-C is than a 9-C
Also consistent feats removing outliers should be treated the same as consistent statements removing outliers. Denying every single statement like this is unreasonable.
 
DaReaperMan said:
I mean the collapse of the tower is also an anti-feat to 8-C so yeah. Could also just argue it to be an LS thing since SK and Kratos never once clash in an LS bout.
Click to expand...
Wouldn't he need at least decent to not be reduced into paste with a single thing and also to hurt him somewhat?
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
That's not what an outlier is.

SK as a verse is consistently Tier 8 to Tier 7, with no lore that suggests anything beyond that scale. The collapse of the Tower of Fate threatened to kill SK iirc. See the problem when we then suggest he was actually tier 2?
Click to expand...
Reminds me of when spiderman beat Firelord but worse.
 
The AP of tower of fate’s collapse is 100% just the result of supernatural building goes boom and unleashes all the dark energy or whatever, it certainly makes far more sense than it being an anti feat in any capacity
 
StrymULTRA said:
Can Option D solve this, with the "GoW key" being the only thing involving the inclusion of GoW stuff and the rest still being within SK-only stuff?
Click to expand...
Can you explain the canonicity of that? Is it like a one off thing only for the gow profiles while SK verse remains as it is?
 
DaReaperMan said:
I mean the collapse of the tower is also an anti-feat to 8-C so yeah. Could also just argue it to be an LS thing since SK and Kratos never once clash in an LS bout.
Click to expand...
Difference being, tier 8/7 actually have feats and consistency, unlike tier 2 where is just one fight.
 
Serlock_Holmes said:
Can you explain the canonicity of that? Is it like a one off thing only for the gow profiles while SK verse remains as it is?
Click to expand...
As I've explained, Buzz Lightyear and Woody have two keys based on the exact same thing for Kingdom Hearts 3, so we can do so for Shovel Knight too.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
The AP of tower of fate’s collapse is 100% just the result of supernatural building goes boom and unleashes all the dark energy or whatever, it certainly makes far more sense than it being an anti feat in any capacity
Click to expand...
This is not correct. The dark magic releasing was the enchantress' body without Shield Knight. After they defeat her finally to stop her spread, then they mentioned they needed to escape the tower.

StrymULTRA said:
Can Option D solve this, with the "GoW key" being the only thing involving the inclusion of GoW stuff and the rest still being within SK-only stuff?
Click to expand...
I don't support a GoW key, ngl. I could see SK getting a "possibly" on the UES tho.
 
StrymULTRA said:
As I've explained, Buzz Lightyear and Woody have two keys based on the exact same thing for Kingdom Hearts 3, so we can do so for Shovel Knight too.
Click to expand...
I mean yeah that would work. I do prefer it to scaling everything from SK to Kratos. Maybe a note to the profile implying main version did fight kratos.
 
technically speaking, Kratos being matched by shovel knight is only one feat, the statement that shovel knight is good enough to fight kratos is just added consistency, and we could really treat it as 2 separate things, one being a scaling feat and the other being an author statement, so it makes it more consistent.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
technically speaking, Kratos being matched by shovel knight is only one feat, the statement that shovel knight is good enough to fight kratos is just added consistency, and we could really treat it as 2 separate things, one being a scaling feat and the other being an author statement, so it makes it more consistent.
Click to expand...
That's literally stretching a single instance to force consistency, come on now.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
This is not correct. The dark magic releasing was the enchantress' body without Shield Knight. After they defeat her finally to stop her spread, then they mentioned they needed to escape the tower.
Click to expand...
Incorrect, the last scene ended with remnant of fate dying and releasing a bunch ****** laser beams, causing the tower to collapse
But since the anti feat is contradicted by him being 8-C, it is completely impossible to use it as an anti feat to begin with. This is a very extreme case of cherry picking and you should not continue to bring it up.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
That's literally stretching a single instance to force consistency, come on now.
Click to expand...
Outliers exist in the first place because something comic writers have brief moments of having a peak human martial artist punching down titanium walls and forget their scaling. It’s just that, simple mistakes.
If multiple canon sources repeatedly say that it was not a mistake, then you have absolutely no legs to stand on. It cannot be an outlier if it is 100% confirmed to be true, otherwise you are quite literally just asserting that you are correct about the scaling while the devs of both shovel knight and god of war are completely wrong on multiple occasions, just because of some imaginary anti feats that don’t even work with the current profile. On a conceptual level, outlier can absolutely not apply here.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
Outliers exist in the first place because something comic writers have brief moments of having a peak human martial artist punching down titanium walls and forget their scaling. It’s just that, simple mistakes.
If multiple canon sources repeatedly say that it was not a mistake, then you have absolutely no legs to stand on. It cannot be an outlier if it is 100% confirmed to be true, otherwise you are quite literally just asserting that you are correct about the scaling while the devs of both shovel knight and god of war are completely wrong on multiple occasions, just because of some imaginary anti feats that don’t even work with the current profile. On a conceptual level, outlier can absolutely not apply here.
Click to expand...
No, wtf

Outlier is a statistical concept.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
No, wtf

Outlier is a statistical concept.
Click to expand...
Outliers in fiction are correlated with statistics, but the only reason they’re considered unusable is due to it being an error or brief lapses in judgement by an author which clearly doesn’t represent their intent. And the outlier page even notes that it should only be used in extreme cases to begin with, so a single debunked anti feat wouldn’t cut it even if we only had one statement.
 
KLOL506 said:
By this logic not just GoW, but every single verse on this site would get nuked to kingdom come. 9-C Supes, Athletic Human "lightning timers", so on and so forth.
Click to expand...
No, because they have lore statements that suggest a higher scale. Unlike SK. (Also, Atlas literally is holding, at the absolute least, a world, come on now KLOL)

Like, the point of the tower is to show they don't have anything beyond these scales, people. The tower collapse could easily be around tier 8. The entire thing is described as an spectacle that could be seen for miles in Plagues of Shadows.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
No, because they have lore statements that suggest a higher scale. Unlike SK. (Also, Atlas literally is holding, at the absolute least, a world, come on now KLOL)
Click to expand...
You have no ******* idea the length people will go to downplay that shit. Just ask that stupid-ass imgur scan album. Or the Spanish blogs that pass their day around calling me vermin because I don't agree with how they interpret the feats.
 
KLOL506 said:
You have no ******* idea the length people will go to downplay that shit. Just ask that stupid-ass imgur scan album. Or the Spanish blogs that pass their day around calling me vermin because I don't agree with how they interpret the feats.
Click to expand...
This is just me operating within my mental limits BTW. If any of the other experts, like say, Aetheric_Pariah or Planck were to confront them, they would tear them to shreds, and that's saying something.
 
KLOL506 said:
You have no ******* idea the length people will go to downplay that shit. Just ask that stupid-ass imgur scan album. Or the Spanish blogs that pass their day around calling me vermin because I don't agree with how they interpret the feats.
Click to expand...
I absolutely do, I deal with it everyday with Star Wars and other verses I support outside the site.

But to then apply that logic to mine, when I'm trying to argue scale to show why these tiers are outliers compared to what the verse actually operates.
 
ZillertheBucko said:
You are acting as if Reaper’s OP isn’t founded on the very fact that there are too many statements to ignore
Click to expand...
My guy... I'm not arguing against canonicity. It's 100% canon, I literally even said I knew about it already before this thread.

The point I'm arguing against is scaling to tier 2. You can try to stretch and bend the facts as much as you like, SK as a verse doesn't operate anything beyond tiers 8/7, with their consistent feats being tier 8/7. Thus, an enormous statistical anomaly like suddenly jumping to tier 2 is a text book example of an outlier.
 
I will only accept 2C Shovel Knight, if PSASBR is deemed canon, which gives us 2C Sweet Tooth, Sir Dan, and God Emperor Parappa.

Being serious though, this seems like the epitome of an outlier. There's no explanation for the increase in power, besides one shaky line from Kratos I think? I disagree right now.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

Shmooply
  • Locked
Shovel Knight Discussion Rule Proposal
2
Replies
70
Views
5K
Mr. Bambu
Mr. Bambu
Planck69
  • Locked
God of War CRT: Additions + New Kratos key
Replies
12
Views
999
Planck69
Planck69
TyphonEX
  • Locked
God of War Dimensional Downgrade Part 1(???): The Yggdrasil
2 3
Replies
100
Views
8K
Theglassman12
Theglassman12
Planck69
  • Locked
God of War CRT: Changes, Additions and Removals
Replies
10
Views
1K
Planck69
Planck69
Planck69
  • Locked
God of War CRT: Greek Additions/Removals/Clean up.
Replies
26
Views
2K
Planck69
Planck69
Back
Top