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Not only Kratos has feats, but he also has statements, Shovel Knight, as far as i'm aware, has none.
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Shovel Knight 2-C
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Agree because I think it'd be funny.
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By the time those responsible have defined that both are canonical, SK has everything you just mentioned by being comparable to Kratos.
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Well, he still has the concept, vector, soul, etc with all attacks right?
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Not really, it can be fought a little after Plague Knight is fought, which you can do at damn near any time
Ped2018
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He quite literally hasn't dawg, Kratos comes out of nowhere, fights him, and then dips, we are provided no more context.
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And we don't need any more by the fact we know where this fits in GOW's chronological order.
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Wish version?
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I’m not talking about scaling inconsistencies. I’m talking about story inconsistencies.
Ped2018
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Oh, i am not arguing that then, i think it has enough confirmation of being canon to GOW, i just think that it is an Outlier at best for Shovel Knight.
GlaceonGamez471
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Same. Funni Shovel man to tier 2 pls
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Funni Chinese knock-off variant.
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Yes. He has all his innate powers from his Demigod self and then some. He is essentially Norse Kratos but without the Axe, the Spear and the Norse runes, enchantments, amulets, Hilts and shit.
Resistances are all retained from his Demigod, GoW and and Norse keys minus those provided by Hope of course.
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I feel like this is one of those things that is clearly a massive outlier but is also potentially warranted noting on the profile. It seems weird but would 8-C possibly 2-C be warranted?
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That... would actually be fine.
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Yeah, just say that those make the Canon shaky for the reason of possibly
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to the people saying this is an outlier, I'm not buying it.
It is made very clear over and over again that it's the real deal, so him not having other 2-C feats doesn't really matter. Outlier implies that it's just some sort of one time inconsistency, not something that is insisted on as being canon over and over again.
It's just blatantly true, and we should go all the way with this.
It is made very clear over and over again that it's the real deal, so him not having other 2-C feats doesn't really matter. Outlier implies that it's just some sort of one time inconsistency, not something that is insisted on as being canon over and over again.
It's just blatantly true, and we should go all the way with this.
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Its not an outlier from the perspective of canonicity. It's an outlier in relation to his in universe feats. You can't sit there and straight face tell me that a character with only 8-C feats fighting a 2-C character isn't the literal definition of an outlier.
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Based.
Ped2018
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It is
Shovel Knight being canon to GOW is valid, him scaling to Kratos that it's inconsistent.
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What is your opinion on which option?
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Depends on which one gets the most staff approval.
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well in the tweets above the Bruno guy seemed to double down on Kratos not being nerfed, saying "shovel knight is just that good"
I'm guessing he's important but I'm not familiar with him
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Vote tally added to OP, please read the fact that I'm only counting Staff/knowledgeable votes before you start complaining that you're vote isn't up there
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Bruno is the lead animation director at SMS, one of the head honchos of GoW since at least GoW2. He is best with the power scaling side while Cory himself (director of most of the GoW games minus 3, Ascension and Ragnarok) is the lore guru.
Kratos was weakened due to killing himself, being resurrected and then healing his gaping hole in his torso, yes, but he's still a god with god-level stats for the most part. Not much to argue there.
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I'm leaning towards B and not opposed to C if enough evidence is brought forth. For A to be a thing we'd have to have a blatant anti-feat within the story of Shovel Knight to prove that Shovel Knight being 2-C is out of the question, but from what I remember I don't see one. That, combined with Bruno doubling down that 'Shovel Knight is just that good', means from an Author perspective he believes Shovel Knight was definitely strong enough to fight Kratos here, which considering he's one of the heads of GoW, increases the likelihood of him scaling to 2-C, as crazy as that sounds.
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okay then yeah we should just 100% go with the full rating
possibly 2-C is the coward's way out.
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B-b-b-b-but matches...
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the truth will finally come out as all the fodder is swept away by a storm of peak
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Honestly I doubt we'd need the "Shovel Knight is just that good" statement regardless. Norse Kratos even without his magics has been hammered down repeatedly to be equal to his GoW self by numerous official sources, at least when going all out (The Norse > Greek stuff is bullshit tho).
Bruno stating this is just icing on the cake.
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OH. I wasn't aware such a statement was made. Well, that was the only reason I was hesitant on C. I'm on board with either B or C then.
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How knowledgeable would you say you're on either verse so I can you down as agree on both B and C?
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Definitely quite knowledgable on GoW. Not as knowledgable on Shovel Knights but I do remember enough to talk about it here.
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I'm not. In fact I'm in favor of completely rejecting this. Kratos has access to the Nemean Cestus, the Golden Fleece and his Olympian magic. At the end of GOW3 Kratos loses all his magic and weapons. If Bruno says this takes place after GOW3, how does Kratos suddenly have access to them if this game is canon? That literally contradicts the story. GOW3 and Shovel Knight cannot coexist in the same world and make sense at the same time.
Source material >> twitter statements.
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