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Shovel Knight 2-C
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SK would still get Soul Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation Type 3, Mind Manipulation and Memory Manipulation, Vector Manipulation, and Probability Manipulation as resistances
Eden_Warlock99
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Putting it as a seperate key does mean we'll be treating it as basically a different continuity tho
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Can someone work on a sandbox to see how the SK page would look with the Option D?
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God damn I ain’t reading all that but good to know
ShionAH
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Thankfully Novels save Fnaf since Afton can hax stomp
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I mean, it's the best compromise as it chooses whenever to incorporate GoW or not for both sides.
Toy Story does the same to avoid to get feats from a crossover which aren't even consistent with what's shown.
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There is no way that SK was a prequel to GoW 2018 all along lol
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Not if he's blitzed and O B L I T E R A T E D
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Option D prevents that, only SK gets that and only in the GoW key.
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Possibly, so, plus they'd be 4D as Planck said. But this is as far as it would go, plus the Chaos Manip and Holy Manip stuff.
ShionAH
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Me when Incorpreality
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Me when NPI.Me when Incorpreality
Serlock_Holmes
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I know nothing of the two verses but that seems so shaky it's insane. It makes no sense but we just accept it.
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The conceptual, vector etc stuff that souls in GoW are made off. Plus every soul in SK would also be made of the same stuff
ShionAH
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I didnt see it on the profile
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That's because SK is decently outdated, but yeah he's literally smacked ghosts in the Lich YardI didnt see it on the profile
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They would if we weren't separating it into its own key.
ShionAH
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L bozo
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I'd have to go through Pocket Dungeon to revise his ass beyond the bare minimum, and that game half the time just chooses to not even work!
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Well, his would in that key in that case i guess
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I already knew about this, funny enough. But I'd disagree on making SK anything beyond tier 7 out of purely the fact the verse doesn't have anything beyond it feats wise. Outlier and moving on.
pretty much
I'm full on Option A.
I'm full on Option A.
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The keys being separated ain’t happening, because that’s just a glorified way of saying it’s not canon
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I'm just saying, doing so would be like saying Shovel Knight just got a random powerboost to 2-C but it only lasted for 1 fight and then he went back to fighting against 8-Cs, when nothing implies so
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Again, treating canon like this is wack. Feel free to apply the KH stuff to every Toy Story profile because the rules we apply on things like this are very strict.
They're not even made from the same author, the key thing is the only way to get a decent compromise.
Eden_Warlock99
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Also some minor Spider-verse spoilers but this is basically like if we added another key to Miles for using the cameos that are confirmed to be the actual other versions of Spiderman and making him 8-A and High Hypersonic only in that key, when like 5 minutes later, the normal cast (Who are 9-A and Supersonic) is seen fighting on par with Miles and are regarded as a bigger threat than Ultimate Spiderman
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I am actually struggling to understand the issue here
It is explicitly stated to be canon by both yacht club and god of war devs, more than once
it is explicitly stated that the weapons inconsistency is just game mechanics as well
and most importantly, it is blatantly stated that Kratos was not nerfed and that shovel knight “is just that good”
It’s pretty clear cut. It’s stated enough times to not be an outlier, it’s canon, and he scales.
It is explicitly stated to be canon by both yacht club and god of war devs, more than once
it is explicitly stated that the weapons inconsistency is just game mechanics as well
and most importantly, it is blatantly stated that Kratos was not nerfed and that shovel knight “is just that good”
It’s pretty clear cut. It’s stated enough times to not be an outlier, it’s canon, and he scales.
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Nothing implies he was beyond him viewing SK as a gardener to start with, but at the end he DOES compliment SK's skills and even gives him the "Ghost of Shovels" title so that'd imply Kratos started putting effort in at the very least later into the fight
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Hence why he needs to get that key. I want the funni shovel man to btfo Goku and co
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This is like saying Garfield spider man should get a new key for mcu that doesn’t scale to his original self. That’s not really how it works.
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Issue it's that they're literally a parallel versions of the same character, not even a good example.
This case is a different verse with a vastly different lore lmfao.
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I was referring to no way home but whatever
Anyways on the matter of is shovel knight scales or not
I’m guessing the fury of hades is pretty strong
Serlock_Holmes
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Yeah option A seems the most logical. There is canonicity for sure, but scaling shovel knight to Kratos seems so bad it ain't even good as a joke and totally sets a bad precedent for other stuff.
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Also for the outlier thing, does Shovel Knight really have any anti-feats?
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That's not what an outlier is.
SK as a verse is consistently Tier 8 to Tier 7, with no lore that suggests anything beyond that scale. The collapse of the Tower of Fate threatened to kill SK iirc. See the problem when we then suggest he was actually tier 2?
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I mean the collapse of the tower is also an anti-feat to 8-C so yeah. Could also just argue it to be an LS thing since SK and Kratos never once clash in an LS bout.
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Can Option D solve this, with the "GoW key" being the only thing involving the inclusion of GoW stuff and the rest still being within SK-only stuff?
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