Shovel Knight 2-C

[DaReaperMan]

32:11 Shovel knight is canon to God of War



This was then confirmed again on Twitter.




https://twitter.com/corybarlog/status/1146210997721432064
https://twitter.com/dhwright98/status/1118484460947767296?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1118586527670390784|twgr^|twcon^s2_&ref_url=


And confirmed repeatedly by Shovel Knight folks

Spoiler: What happens

Kratos (Shovel Knight)

Kratos is a secret optional boss in Shovel Knight: Shovel of Hope.[1] Originally hailing from the God of War series, Kratos appears in Shovel of Hope as a Wandering Traveler that can only be found if Shovel Knight has the Curious Map.[2] While initially fighting Shovel Knight due to believing...

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all Shovel Knight characters become 2-C.

Blades of Chaos (God of War)

The Blades of Chaos, Kratos's signature weapons, are a pair of chained blades that were fashioned by the then-God of War Ares, in the foulest depths of Hades, right in the pits of Tartarus, with its flames harvested from the Primordial Goddess Chaos, forged by the great Greek smith-god...

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GoW supporters decide what Shovel Knight actually resisted from the blades here

Discuss.

Votes.
Please note I am only counting knowledgeable member or staff votes

Not Canon:

• Agree: DarkGrath, Bambu
• Neutral: DDM, KLOL, Planck69
• Disagree:

Option A: No scaling but is canon

• Agree: Lephyr, Bambu
• Neutral: DDM, KLOL, Planck69
• Disagree:

Option B: 8-C, possibly 2-C

• Agree: 2nd Extistential seed
• Neutral: DDM, KLOL, Planck69
• Disagree: Bambu

Option C: Flat 2-C

• Agree: Lonkitt, 2nd Extistential seed, ZillertheBucko, Marvel, KingTempest,
• Neutral: Planck69, DDM, KLOL
• Disagree: Bambu

Option D: Shovel Knight gets a 2-C God of War Key

• Agree: LordGriffon DDM
• Neutral: KLOL, Planck69
• Disagree: Bambu

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yes, that makes sense until you look at Shovel Knight's narrative and feats

 

[KLOL506]

Well. Holy shit. I have no words anymore.

This will tear our Crossover rules asunder.

Will wait to hear from my homies first tho.

@LephyrTheRevanchist @Planck69 @Theglassman12 @Lonkitt @DemonGodMitchAubin @LordTracer @Maverick_Zero_X @Elizhaa @ByAsura @Sir_Ovens @DarkDragonMedeus @Just_a_Random_Butler @Dereck03 @Marvel_Champion_07

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yes, that makes sense until you look at Shovel Knight's narrative and feats

Lmfao

And, pray tell, what are the anti-feats that weren't caused by other characters lol

I don't even really care, 2-C Shovel Knight would just be based as ****

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Seems pretty blatant to me.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah, btw, are you also gonna put a **** ton of resistances for Shovel?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah, btw, are you also gonna put a **** ton of resistances for Shovel?

TBH what Resistances would there even be? A bunch of Kratos' spooky shit comes from Things he doesn't use in the fight

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

TBH what Resistances would there even be? A bunch of Kratos' spooky shit comes from Things he doesn't use in the fight

The Chaos Blades alone have a lot of stuff

 

[Ped2018]

life of king mad as hell lmaooo

but anyways, disagree

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I can’t tell if he’s serious or not and that’s very concerning.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The Chaos Blades alone have a lot of stuff

Oh, let me check them and-

Blades of Chaos (God of War)

The Blades of Chaos, Kratos's signature weapons, are a pair of chained blades that were fashioned by the then-God of War Ares, in the foulest depths of Hades, right in the pits of Tartarus, with its flames harvested from the Primordial Goddess Chaos, forged by the great Greek smith-god...

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oh.

Adding them to the OP I guess, I'll let GoW supporters say what Shovel Knight actually resisted from them

 

[KLOL506]

This is Kratos after he killed himself with the BoO, aka his Fallen God self. No more juicy hax because Hope was given away by his sacrifice. He resurrects due to immortality curse and is now just his Norse self before he gets the Norse hax. Slightly weaker than or on par with that era.

 

[KLOL506]

I can’t tell if he’s serious or not and that’s very concerning.

He ain't bullshitting. Bruno is usually very serious with his answers.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Oh my god

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah, btw, are you also gonna put a **** ton of resistances for Shovel?

And Christ, it was a rhetorical question. The answer was "No".

 

[DaReaperMan]

And Christ, it was a rhetorical question. The answer was "No".

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

He ain't bullshitting. Bruno is usually very serious with his answers.

I’m talking about Reaper

 

[DaReaperMan]

He ain't bullshitting. Bruno is usually very serious with his answers.

enjoy picking what Shovel resists from the blades

I’m talking about Reaper

I'm half-serious, I can see both sides of this and honestly I just like this idea

 

[KLOL506]

Either way, Kratos would have his Shovel Knight profile removed and re-merged with his canon self, a perfect Norse copy without any of the Norse equipment. Just innate stuff.

 

[Ped2018]

And my points being:

1-Shovel Knight doesn't have any feats even close to supporting this rating.

2-The game isn't even consistent with Kratos himself, as he has a bunch of weapons that were destroyed at the end of 3, and the game is after that...

So yeah, no.

 

[KLOL506]

2-The game isn't even consistent with Kratos himself, as he has a bunch of weapons that were destroyed at the end of 3, and the game is after that...

Most likely an inconsistency then, unless the Fleece and any other GoW3 weapon there works as expected

 

[KLOL506]

Anyway tho, I am neutral on this. Let staff hash it out.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Most likely an inconsistency then, unless the Fleece and any other GoW3 weapon there works as expected

Kratos only uses the Gaultnets he nicked off of Heracles and lightning once outside of the blades of chaos

 

[KLOL506]

Kratos only uses the Gaultnets he nicked off of Heracles and lightning once outside of the blades of chaos

Nemean Cestus and lightning are tricky then, because Kratos lost that and his magics.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Nemean Cestus and lightning are tricky then, because Kratos lost that and his magics.

Does Kratos even use lightning by standing in one spot and yelling? Cause it's just an AoE around and above himself lol

 

[Lynieryz]

And my points being:

1-Shovel Knight doesn't have any feats even close to supporting this rating.

2-The game isn't even consistent with Kratos himself, as he has a bunch of weapons that were destroyed at the end of 3, and the game is after that...

So yeah, no.

It remains confirmed canon which makes the crossover rules not apply here

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I have a bad feeling about this, that's all I can really say.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

It remains confirmed canon which makes the crossover rules not apply here

Kratos having the nemean cestus, golden fleece, and a goatee contradicts what Bruno said. Makes no sense for this to be canon.

 

[Ped2018]

Kratos having the nemean cestus, golden fleece, and a goatee contradicts what Bruno said. Makes no sense for this to be canon.

I agree that is canon, it just that the game shows too many inconsistencies to actually warrant scaling.

 

[Lonkitt]

Given the amount of these kinds of sources saying its canon, I can't really refute it. I agree

 

[KLOL506]

Does Kratos even use lightning by standing in one spot and yelling? Cause it's just an AoE around and above himself lol

He had both the bolt and AoE, and Cronos' rage. He had all of them. And then he committed seppuku.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I agree that is canon, it just that the game shows too many inconsistencies to actually warrant scaling.

That makes no sense. Why would the inconsistencies negate the scaling but not the Canonicity?

 

[BoastJr]

2-C shovel knight ?

well I am neutral on this although I see good amount of evidence

 

[DaReaperMan]

He had both the bolt and AoE, and Cronos' rage. He had all of them. And then he committed seppuku.

Makes sense... huh...

 

[KLOL506]

I agree that is canon, it just that the game shows too many inconsistencies to actually warrant scaling.

What about merging Shovel Knight Kratos with canon Kratos and making him the Wish version of Norse Kratos? That much is warranted.

 

[Lynieryz]

Kratos having the nemean cestus, golden fleece, and a goatee contradicts what Bruno said. Makes no sense for this to be canon.

It could be entirely inconsistent in everything and in the end it would remain canonical, you know why? because consistency is not what defines something to be canonical or not.

 

[Bobsican]

Generally more priority is given to feats over statements, so if this can't canonically fit, even if stated so, then it's reasonable to claim it's not canon.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

It could be entirely inconsistent in everything and in the end it would remain canonical, you know why? because consistency is not what defines something to be canonical or not.

Ok then what would make it non canonical to you?

 

[Lynieryz]

And I don't know anything about Shovel Knight but are there any anti-feats regarding 2-C? [And I'm not referring to "calculations only reach X" because following this logic Kratos would not be 2-C]

 

[Ped2018]

That makes no sense. Why would the inconsistencies negate the scaling but not the Canonicity?

Outliers, inconsistencies, etc. are all things that we take into account here, the story is canon? Yes. But does this makes sense from a powerscaling view? No.

What about merging Shovel Knight Kratos with canon Kratos and making him the Wish version of Norse Kratos? That much is warranted.

Yeah, i agree, they're the same character.