Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

[Extreme123dz]

I want to make a profile for Maria. ; - ;

Including NINE

 

[Jaakuace43]

Just to clarify once and for all. Dante doesn't get any Demon stuff, does he?

That's yet to be determined, but it's a safe bet that he won't. Not sure about characters such as Demi-Fiend, Nanashi, etc.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Does the whole "Power Null via AP" thing apply to him as well?

 

[Jaakuace43]

Is it Power Nullification? I thought the AP deal only applied to outright Hax.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Power Null as in "Null hax via being stronger".

 

[Jaakuace43]

Ah, okay.

I'm actually not sure. If it applies to the protags, it may apply to him as well.

As an aside, are we all in agreement with the idea of protags having hax resistance?

 

[Aridwolverine]

Dante should at least get resistance to mind manipulation for being able to shrug off mind hax from other demons

 

[Jaakuace43]

Yeah, a lot of characters don't have resistance/immunity against certain attacks listed that they should have. Demi-Fiend's a more prominent example of this, since he should have resistance/immunity to several different kinds of attacks (Physical attacks, most elements, etc.).

 

[Jaakuace43]

As a reminder, which demons are being considered for High 2-A? Or would it be better to discuss that as part of a different thread entirely?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

The only ones I can think of right now are YHVH and Brahman

 

[Jaakuace43]

Yeah, those seem to be reasonable choices.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I wish Shin Megami Tensei NINE was translated. You apparently fight Yaldabaoth in a place that is literally called "High-Dimensional Space"

 

[Extreme123dz]

I wish Shin Megami Tensei NINE was translated. You apparently fight Yaldabaoth in a place that is literally called "High-Dimensional Space"

And Nine Endings/a lot of Choises..., also SMT:Imagine, some Demons are broken

 

[Jaakuace43]

Did a bit of digging, and the in-game text states that Maria sends the player to Õñ®þòî (tenkai) - Heaven, essentially. It doesn't say anything about High-Dimensional Space (though, the way Heaven's presented does make it seem that way).

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Huh... I do recall seeing a walkthrough in text which mentioned a location called "High-Dimensional Space"

oh well at least it helps keeping YHVH and Brahman at 2-A, where they should be

 

[Jaakuace43]

Brahman I would say is very likely candidate for High 2-A, along with Seraph. DDS2's ending mentions that Seraph would bear witness to countless different realities. That said, the game is also vague as to what it means by 'realities'. I'm gonna take a look at the JP ending to try and get a better idea.

Update: The JP version states that Seraph and Schrodinger will bear witness to many 'worlds' - in other words, it's just as vague as in English. They could mean 'worlds' as in the countless universes we see in Amala, but I can't be too sure.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I think "Worlds" in this context simply referred to the universes contained within Brahman's multiverse

But in this case, context matters (sorry for the minor redundancy). Since Schrodinger used the term "world" to refer to the entirety of Brahman's creation after you defeated Satan's Solar Data

 

[Jaakuace43]

Would that imply multiple multiverses, do you think?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Shin Megami Tensei already has multiple Multiverses. Devil Survivor 2 and Digital Devil Saga clearly take place in ones that are separate from the one YHVH governs

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Shin Megami Tensei already has multiple Multiverses. Devil Survivor 2 and Digital Devil Saga clearly take place in ones that are separate from the one YHVH governs

SMT if and persona too.

 

[Jaakuace43]

Yes, but when Shrodinger states that Seraph is going to witness many different 'worlds', would that imply Seraph is going to witness the events of multiple multiverses? Since he also uses the term 'world' to describe Brahman's multiverse.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Seeing through the scene again. It might be a possibility, although I am still uncertain

EDIT: Another piece of evidence to support SMT having multiple Multiverses is the fact that the Goddess of Tokyo travels to another "Universe", outside of Nanashi's new creation to rise a new Messiah

 

[Jaakuace43]

Yep. In both cases, the term õ©ûþòî is used. It also states that Brahman and YHVH reign over different 'worlds'. So when Schrodinger states that Seraph is going to bear witness to countless different realities/worlds, it's possible Seraph is able to traverse - or even exist simultaneously - across different multiverses.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Traversing across multiverses isn't something that foreign to SMT, just look at Beelzebub in DeSu 2 or The Goddess of Tokyo and Stephen in IV: Apocalypse

This could be a good supporting feat. ...or Omnipresence

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I've seen a theory that says that Schrodinger is a being like Stephen, who transcended the boundaries of his multiverse.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

I've seen a theory that says that Schrodinger is a being like Stephen, who transcended the boundaries of his multiverse.

I guess you would know about that,matt

 

[Jaakuace43]

I wouldn't say the theory is too far-fetched, as Stephen has been described as a Buddha figure.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Anyone correct if I am wrong because I am sure I must me misremembering something, but...

Is there anything in Apocalypse that says YHVH has a "True Form"? Like... at all?

I am not trying to retroactively scale SMT IV YHVH to the one Aleph fought, just wanting some clarification. ;-;

 

[Extreme123dz]

No, only people speculating that the thing Aleph kills is one head of YHVH.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Bump,its been 2 weeks and we still have not finished this.

 

[Extreme123dz]

Ishter should be higher than Ashera ans Mother Harlort bythis ?

Also, Black Maria and Danu ..., the video

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I initially suggested that Ishtar could be 2-A due to the fact that Asherah and Mother Harlot are aspects of her, as she is their progenitor and the deity who gave origin to both of them. But I realized it would cause a mess in the scalling if we go by Redux's statement that Forneus is far above Ishtar in power (Forneus > Ishtar > Asherah > Asura = Michael > The Three Cardinal Archangels > Forneus)

Although. Would Ouroboros become Low 2-C with the new standards for Tier 2? I personally think she can remain at 2-A, due to being the very concept of Infinity in relation to higher-dimensional universe-creating Demons, as opposed to just being said to be "infinitely stronger" than them, though I would like more input in this matter

 

[Jaakuace44]

Some new demon profiles would be nice too. I think the only Fiend we have so far is Matador (not counting Demi-Fiend or Dante).

Edit: As an aside, something happened with my old account, so I had to make a new one. Sorry for any potential confusion.

 

[Kaltias]

@Ult

I think that with the new standards it would be Low 2-C

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I mean, like I said. She is the literal concept of Infinity, not someone who is stated to be infinitely stronger than them

Although I wouldn't mind her being Low 2-C (>:3) so I am just playing the Devil's Advocate here

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Some new demon profiles would be nice too. I think the only Fiend we have so far is Matador (not counting Demi-Fiend or Dante).

We have Alice too.

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

A bit out of topic, but Persona 2´s Nyarlotep is wrongly scaled to the main protagonist of Persona 2, alongisde missing his Adolf Hitler form, would any of you be kind enough to unlock said profile so i could fix this asap?


Thanks.

 

[Jesterofgames]

How is he wrongly scaled?

 

[RapidMotorcycle19]

Well, for one, Nyarlo directly fought Tatsuya, and his speed is At least FTL instead of MFTL+.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Persona 2 is going to undergo revisions along with all of SMT. So the profiles will be updated soon