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I just got back from seeing the movie, so here's a thread to discuss it.
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Shazam! Fury of the Gods Spoiler Thread
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Aight so just got out of the movie. No feats, that fake out, WW > all the gods as we expected, Freebie getting preyed on, Billy is a simp, unicorns are terrifying, dragon = wood?, Jeff with the mind and fear hax resistance, Ann has cool powers (sucks at dodging though), staff is actually very useful, everything is Billy’s fault.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
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I really wish more of the gods would be explored. So far only ares and the daughter of atlas have been given screentime. Zeus, hercules and the rest would make for great characters.
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On that I will say that
He did bullrush a huge ass dragon through a whole building. And when he was amped with enough electricity, he obliterated that huge forcefield that was taking up half the city which resulted into that city being powered off in an instant.
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The dragon through the skyscraper is definitely more impressive than what he‘s done so far but I was more so referring to something bigger. Ann’s warping stuff should be something the Marvel Family scale to since it’s not just some spatial warping but physically moving stuff considering how Billy had to dodge the buildings to reach Freddie.
On the forcefield, Billy didn’t break it, Hespera dying is what shut it down. That barrier high key is the strongest thing we saw in the movie lol.
Will definitely say though, the Daughters have some fun hax.
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Shazam finally has good feats
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I want to mention that prior in the movie, the explosion that killed Billy was stated to have enough power to wipe out everything that was inside the bubble. And that was before it was shrunken.
Is there anyway we can downscale Shazam to that?
Is there anyway we can downscale Shazam to that?
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Not really, it still killed him and required him to charge up a punch of power several times greater than his own attacks as well as Ladon > everyone else. What’s crazy is that the blast didn’t break the staff iirc (there was no magic so the Wizard couldn’t repair it if it did) yet Billy snapped it like a twig at the end of Shazam.
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Should we take the scaling suggested by the tie-in book for the first movie into account? (I'm certain it was brought up before, but I don't remember if a conclusion was ever reached)
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I mean, this also makes sense considering that Shazam has the powers of Zeus
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This is kinda iffy tbhShould we take the scaling suggested by the tie-in book for the first movie into account? (I'm certain it was brought up before, but I don't remember if a conclusion was ever reached)
It's based on Freddy's diary and are ultimately guesswork by him
You can see this by the fact that he considers Wonder Women and Superman as similar in power when in fact we see in Justice League that Superman is effortlessly above all of them including Wonder Woman
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It gives Hespera's barrier a feat since it can contain the explosion
Billy now has a statement from Harcourt...that was from Amanda Waller about him being strong. Can't remember nor find the exact quote, but it's along the lines of him being one the strongest out there, I believe. Waller is still looking for a way to bring Black Adam down, so it would make sense that she goes for the guy with the exact same powers as him.
We should probably get to scaling Black Adam and Shazam since their powers come from the same source. Also, probably give the Wizard a new key along with sealing and dream manipulation.
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The best I can see is a "possibly" rating because of the stuff that @Shmeatywerbenmanjenson saidShould we take the scaling suggested by the tie-in book for the first movie into account? (I'm certain it was brought up before, but I don't remember if a conclusion was ever reached)
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Diana and Clark kinda are in their own tier of power. Let's not forget that one punch from Supes put Arthur out of action for a long time yet that same level of power only made Diana stagger before she hit back harder than the Aquaman one shotting level. Clark is blatantly stronger but it’s not like Freddie can directly compare the two beyond knowing they both fought Doomsday where Superman died. He doesn’t exactly have as much context for these situations as us.
The staff also straight up takes and gives the powers of the gods involved so Billy scaling to Zeus makes perfect sense. Pedro gets hit by the staff and immediately the Daughters got access to the Strength of Hercules which let Hespera slap around Billy despite him having Atlas’ strength and endurance, something she directly says he has. Given she is Atlas’ daughter, I’d say she is a valid source of info on whether Billy scales to him and his true level of power. Something further backed up by her calling Billy a “true god” at the end.
Hespera and Kalypso also thought the Champion would be some ultimate warrior that could fully use all of the powers to their full extent before having the meeting with Billy yet wasn’t surprised by the former’s barrier tanking someone with the Strength of Hercules or the Power of Zeus.
Slightly off topic but how do we reconcile the history presented by Wizard and the Daughters vs what we are told by Hippolyta and Ares in WW? Cuz the Wizard apparently took the staff from Atlas and was responsible for taking Atlas’ power from what was his corpse. It’s presented as the Council of Wizards took the SHAZAM powers around the same time but we know Zeus had his powers until he died and Ares was the one responsible for killing all of the gods. Did these two events happen at the same time or?
Also didn’t Zeus cast Ares out of Olympus and to Earth? Give the man dimensional BFR lol
The staff also straight up takes and gives the powers of the gods involved so Billy scaling to Zeus makes perfect sense. Pedro gets hit by the staff and immediately the Daughters got access to the Strength of Hercules which let Hespera slap around Billy despite him having Atlas’ strength and endurance, something she directly says he has. Given she is Atlas’ daughter, I’d say she is a valid source of info on whether Billy scales to him and his true level of power. Something further backed up by her calling Billy a “true god” at the end.
Hespera and Kalypso also thought the Champion would be some ultimate warrior that could fully use all of the powers to their full extent before having the meeting with Billy yet wasn’t surprised by the former’s barrier tanking someone with the Strength of Hercules or the Power of Zeus.
Slightly off topic but how do we reconcile the history presented by Wizard and the Daughters vs what we are told by Hippolyta and Ares in WW? Cuz the Wizard apparently took the staff from Atlas and was responsible for taking Atlas’ power from what was his corpse. It’s presented as the Council of Wizards took the SHAZAM powers around the same time but we know Zeus had his powers until he died and Ares was the one responsible for killing all of the gods. Did these two events happen at the same time or?
Also didn’t Zeus cast Ares out of Olympus and to Earth? Give the man dimensional BFR lol
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Does this mean High 6-C Shazam now?
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Personally? I’d say yes. Billy proceeds to also punch out Ladon and physically overpower it a few times despite it being stated that he couldn’t beat Ladon or Ladon was the strongest. Something to that extent anyway. Need the clips to be uploaded somewhere to refresh my mind.
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This respect thread might be useful for getting stuff sorted out (Most stuff is on the first post, but it looks like there's extra clips and such all through the thread)
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From the above respect thread, Pedro lifting a large section of the Benjamin Franklin Bridge sticks out as a good LS feat.
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The director's comment suggests that each of the Shazam Family has a certain power that is greater than that of the others (Darla is faster than Billy and the rest, Pedro is stronger, etc.)
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Just finished the movie, was good, quite entertaining.
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Shoul Shazam/Billy have resistance to fear hax considering how he directly clashed against the dragon without be affected by his fear hax?
Side note, but makes senses that Billy is simp of Wonder Woman, he has seen all the fast and the furious movies.
Side note, but makes senses that Billy is simp of Wonder Woman, he has seen all the fast and the furious movies.
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Their powers come from the same source, so I'd say yes
If you want, you can use the post-credit scene as evidence:
Something like this can probably be used as an explantation:
"Shazam is stated by Waller to be as powerful as they come and would be a great addition to the Justice Society, who were remade order to restrain Black Adam"
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