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Settings that don't work with their power levels
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Guts' admirability comes from, among other things, him being a mere fragile human who is really powerless in the grand scheme of things, but possesses the sheer grit to challenge horrific monsters personifying evil itself and the literal gods in charge of them, and the destiny of all beings. Him being as powerful as a small nuclear bomb undermines that a little bit :v
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kirby's setting would not have lasted a single minute
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How bout SMT? the lowest peeps there are 1-A and got smurf hax, dunno how they can do shit like that with 1-A stats
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The lowest peeps are actually tier 10, but we don't talk about them for obvious reasons.
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Fair point
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Pretty much any urban fantasy above nuclear power. Most have this thing about the masquerade and how humans are superior in numbers and tech. But that really doesnt count if the supernatural are above nuclear power. What the hell is an millions of humans going to do against a tier 6 character.
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bio-weapons?
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To be fair, the setting of SMT usually takes place during or after these demons destroy the world. So it's not like there are a whole bunch of 1-A devil summoners walking around.
The weakest demons are 8-C. Most protagonists reach 1-A because they are exceptional. Even Low 2-C demons, while weak in the grand scheme of things, are still seen as powerful demons in the setting (generally).
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observation is something done unconciously and by the mass. Humans aren`t even aware of it.
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most supernatural in urban fantasy are immune to diseases so not really
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well, alright then
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and what makes them exceptional? are exceptional people like them so rare they can only appear in one city in one lightly populated country?
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I mean the profiles are currently basically the peak of wild pokemon
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I genuinely don't know what you're trying to say here.
If you're asking what makes the protagonist of the video games special, it's because of either supernatural gifts/augmentations (Demi-Fiend, Wild Cards, Nahobino) or being the reincarnation of someone significant (Flynn, Nanashi). Also the Hero, Aleph, Demi-Fiend, Flynn and Nanashi are all Messiahs chosen by the Axiom.
Aside from that, what really makes them stand out is the fact that they beat powerful demons like Metatron in the first place. It's not a feat many people actually accomplish in-verse, what with ordinary devil summoners having trouble with guys like King Frost. Occasionally, you might get a Low 1-C devil summoner like Naomi.
In the end, it all comes down to Cognition. Relatively ordinary people in Megaten can and have reached 1-A before (Like most of your friends in both Devil Survivor games) but at that point, you're not really ordinary, are you?
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a world with shifting mountain ranges 24/7 is not the setting depicted in pokemon
oh ok
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I mean it would only be needed every few decades (and since we haven’t really seen much of the timeline it’s not impossible)
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Journey to the West. The view of people at that time restricted their imagination of making Sun Wukong a broken character, but he still has a place in broken character list.
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...What?
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As the sentence says. We have calculated that even the debuffed Sun Wukong has High 6-A feat and has far better rating, these characters consider mountain-based attack a powerful attack. It is understandable since people at that time mostly holds the belief that Earth is flat and their knowledge about the world are mostly just the China, let alone the galaxies, universes, timelines, etc.
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Except anti-feats aren't even exclusive to people of that time period. It happens all the time right now. Ancient Chinese astronomy identified stars and constellations literally thousands of years before JTTW was even published, and Wukong still has his Milky Way feat. Besides, there's Xuan Ye cosmology which has space infinite in size.
Except this makes no sense. If they made a broken character, clearly their imaginations weren't "restricted". In fact, their "views at that time" could be argued to make Sun Wukong the broken character he is, what with all his hax and higher-dimensional stuff.
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That would then be noted in the official setting. Which it isn't.
Pokemon has a lot of this tbh if you take the Pokedex into account. If you accept that Gardevoirs can create black holes, then all it takes is one mad Gardevoir and the world is gone. If you accept that Alakazams have 2000 IQ, then they would enslave humans and do whatever the **** they wanted to them whenever the **** they want. If you accept that Magcargo is hotter than the sun, then the world is uninhabitable.
You need to account for every single word you type, speak, or write ******* up your world in one way or another. If you changed Gardevoir's text from '...can create black holes' to 'can make something that looks like a black hole' then that issue would be gone.
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Gardevoirs is kinda stupid (except using the small black hole portion Means it can be really really small regardless) but seriously all psychic Pokemon are smart. Alakazams just don’t want to rule the world. And no ignoring the fact that fire types can control their temperature. It would merely be really damn hot And not even close to world ending
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Please explain how Gardevoir, if its trainer is injured or even dead, would not just throw a black hole at whatever angered it- which would immediately start to suck up the atmosphere and ground upon being made. and how do you know Alakazams don't want to rule the world? If an Alakazam wants to do a thing, with their powers they will do that thing. Morals do not matter in that case.
Have you even heard of what temps hotter than the sun do?
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Only applies to sufficiently large ones.
Small black hole can mean anything. Including ones which disappear within microseconds
Except they do actually have morals and why would they want to rule the world.
Also high IQ does not mean you can simply rule the world
Yeah have you ever heard that lightning is 5 times hotter then the sun
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uh huh, and small black holes do not also pull in everything that gets close enough?
what morals? like seriously what morals, please give examples
also high IQ means you can outsmart everyone that tries to stop you from getting what you want. If an Alakazam wanted to keep its home safe, then it could wipe out all life within a few hundred miles to do so- either through brute force or planning.
lightning is not an animal that exists for entire years at a time
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No they disappear before they even have time to
Please give examples of them wanting to take over the world
No it does not as shown by how IQ works in real life
No it couldn’t. That would only work if it could beat everything within a distance of it through planning and again applying your mindset to an Alakazam
that does not matter.
hell the amount of energy pumped into the atmosphere by something 18,000 F is puny compared to literally any tier 8 who does a bit of fighting. It’s not relevent. Again Fire Types can control their body heat.
I don’t think you realise that going by your mindset very Few verses actually work at their powerlevels (as in they basically need to be limited at tier 9 or below along with tons of other factors)
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Mario he is 3-C and his preferred method of attack is jumping on things he is in a platformer he landed on the ground and he didn't vaporize the planet
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i asked you first for examples.
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I wouldn’t need them when Alakazams haven’t shown any reason they would want to. You are asserting that they would decide to take over the world.
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Why would they not want to when taking over the world means they get free shit, forever?
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The fact that free shit might not matter to them or taking over a world with a bunch of gods might actually be pretty tough
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Not necessarily an answer but just an observation related to the question, but in a verse where there are people that can shred continents fighting on a semi-regular basis (i.e. every high tier series ever), why don't they ever make buildings stronger after they've been folded? They should have people who do that right, especially if it's a verse where strength like this is common?
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where are you going to find materials that strong? Most verses don`t have materials that can withstand that kind of power so they can`t make the building stronger
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I mean in Pokemon Sword and Shield Rose tower is stated to be strong enough to have pokemon battles inside of it without being damaged (or something of that nature)
Also Pokemon has 2-A rocks (as in literally 2-A rocks as they have the same nature as Arceus's plates).
Also Galar stadiums have forcefields which stop Dynamax battles from damaging the crowd
Also Pokemon has 2-A rocks (as in literally 2-A rocks as they have the same nature as Arceus's plates).
Also Galar stadiums have forcefields which stop Dynamax battles from damaging the crowd
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Xianxia/Xuanhuan does this...the continents are the size of the planets/suns, even bigger sometimes, the planet entirely reaches solar system sizes or a bit under...the materials are usually of higher durability (excluding mortal buildings) while those made by/for cultivators can resist to their attacks or within the materials are formations/magics that increase its durability.
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