When two universes collide to each other, trying to share the same space in a certain point, this would be “trying to share the same area”. Strawmaning is insane.
No, he just said “all the Realms”. You cannot merge something with destroyed Realms. He does not explicitly say “yes, you’re correct”. He just says “all the Realm”. Stop the strawman.
There was a time when you were better than that.
The Merged synced up their time up, so even if the space-times weren't merged, the Merge remains Tier 2
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Since when returning to a place where a Universe once existed = Only the land was destroyed?
Do you not see how saying "universes didnt merge" and "ninjago is sharing a space with another universe" are contradictory statements?
If someone asks "were these destroyed realms merged?" And Doc replies with "all of them were" (paraphrasing), what does that imply?https://vsbattles.com/threads/downgrade-of-ninjagos-god-tiers.157225/page-2
Cursed Realm is litteraly inside a existing Realm, and nothing showcased or implied that Djinjago isn't a entire void with only sum sand inside Arrakore's bottle.
Contradicting what?
No? These are perfectly suitable with each other. I don't know what they are talking about.
Except that at that point of time, everyone just spammed with it, which is why he even made a FAQ. Which is why it is more likely that he didn't even bother to look which Realms were in question. He explicitly recognizes the fact that Djinjago has been destroyed within DR itself. Look at what Arrakore says:
If his land was destroyed and not space-time, then he would not say that it is all what is left of the Realm but rather the planet or whatever.
If you don't see that the Realms are destroyed here, then you are either blind, or just want to downgrade the verse for the sake of ******** on it. Looking at your actions, though, it looks more like the second option. Yes! Let's ignore the canon because we hate Ninjago! What a spirit of yours, don't you think?
They do not? Tell me what's contradictory with Realms location merging, their time getting all affected by that event, and a mergequake trying to Merge the space-time? The Realms are litterally still seperated by their time all being different, but all flowing at the same pace, and the Mergequakes are trying to fuse these seperated "Time Bubbles" into one (due to trying to share a same space).
You never elaborate what's the problem with it. Universes colliding is literally same as sharing same space. Look below (spoiler: I made the picture in two minutes)
There's nothing wrong with that tho?
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Space-Times can't fuse if their time only synced with each other. Syncing with something basically means Realm A and B goes at the same speed
This further backs up my point.
Its called Hyperbole and Exaggeration?
You dont have to hate a verse to downgrade it, i dont know where this is coming from. You signed up for downgrades when you decided to be a verse supporter, if you cannot handle downgrades or get upset than your favorite cartoon lego might be a lower tier and claim that someone hates the verse because they downgrade it then thats not my problem.
Realms can refer to two things in the DR: space-times of Realms and former focal points of those space-times. Also invalidating Lloyd's statement means B is false, idk what you're on.
Ignores the evidence.
This would make no sense. If space-times merged, then everything merged.
Basically says "Lloyd said bullshit".
It does not. Literally.
It is consistent. And nothing contradicts it. You can't throw off a statement and say "eh a hyperbole".
You're lying to yourself atp.
No, it just invalides the "just the land was destroyed" argument
Prove it
That's funny coming from someone saying multiplying half of 4-C by 2 isn't 4-C
The Realms. I even gave an image for you.
The answer does not even matter. The point is that it is a fact. It is going more into philosophy, not an actual question contributing to this already long enough discussion.
They were never stated to merge with Ninjago. You just kept strawmanning a statement.
False cause fallacy.
More like vice versa. It’s you who ignores all of the evidence, logic and common sense just for sake of downgrading a verse so hated by you.
You ignored everyone's relevant point except from Bambu. Your comment is funny
Do you hear your arguments right now? "The realms didnt merge with ninjago but are merging with ninjago". Mergequakes happen BECAUSE of the merge, which combined all the realms. If the realms spaces didnt merge, then mergequakes dont appear. Mergequakes dont cause merging, they are the RESULT of merging. The only way to come to this conclusion is to use scans from the Ninjago Magazine's GAME SECTION (which shouldnt be canon information), and taking lloyd's "two realms" statements hyper literally and not take it as him trying to explain the basics to Nya
They were, thats what the question asked to doc was about. If the user asked if djinjago was merged with ninjago and then Doc replied with all realms, then that literally implies that it was merged.
Oh, look at you. Found even more things just to downgrade the verse. How cute.
First of all, primary source > secondary source. We clearly know from Lloyd's statement that Realms are trying to share the same space aka merging. Also, you know, when you prevent them from doing it, you do stabilize the area and save the people. Lol.
Yes, better than you.
Well, you're correct. Mergequakes are just places where two Realms merge: they do not cause anything, they are result of two Realms doing so.
It was not even full argument, you're just lying to yourself right now.
Well, yeah, of course we don't take anything that will upgrade the verse literally, right? Why elaborate on why it is a hyperbole or use logics? Just say it is a hyperbole and the verse becomes wall level! Simple! Congrats! Hating on the verse is easy as I see. Just call anything, even consistent or blatant, a "hyperbole" and "exaggerration". Peak plan, Minaaaa. Peak plan.
It does not imply it? The things that do not exist cannot merge. This is just stupid and strawmanning. You're either implying that Doc is illogical or doesn't know the previously established canon.
bro what? you dont have to take absolutley everything someone says as fact or treat it as such. Nothing implies his statement as absolute fact. We know all the realms merged so it being two realms wouldnt make sense
This isnt even close to a strawman. He said exactly what he said ALL REALMS, that includes the cursed realm AND djinjago. This is easy to explain, their space-time simply werent destroyed (this will be adressed in the tier 2 thread). I think youre just getting upset that something goes against your pre existing powerscaling that gets your favorite cartoon lego into a high tier.
That "Merging 2 Realms" info comes from the show itself, and funny enough, your own scans is proving a Mergequake affects the whole world. Realms are also referred as dimensions in many other Ninjago medias, I don't see anything wrong with the dimension scans from the Magazines. Also, I'd like to understand why something trying to Merge again is illogical?
No need to be rude, cut the aggressive words or don't debate, please.
Merging worlds, realms, universes, etc. is usually Tier 2, why would it not be the case here? Doesn't seem to make much sense to say it's not applicable
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Why in the world would Realms trying to merge again not make sense?
Doc said Djinjago and the Cursed Realm "merged" because
Because it, literally and canonically, doesnt make sense? nothing backs up the realms are merging again, they already merged due to the inital merge. Do you not see how your position requires varying leaps in logic and convoluted explanations to justify?
Thats not what he meant and i think you know that. I think you guys have realized that the mergequake tiering is bunk and rather than accept that it is, you try and use any and everything to justify it, even if it doesnt make any logical sense
The Mergequakes are litterally making Realms trying to share a same space. There's nothing illogical with this
Are u going to keep ignoring the current status of the Cursed Realm and the Djinnjago one? Arrakore litterally tell us in 3 different ways nothing is left of his Realm, S8 clearly showcases that the Cursed Realm is part of another Realm since Harumi had to revive Garmadon from there
Ok? This adds nothing to the debate
That's def what he meant. The show itself tell us that Djinnjago is nothing but a grain of sand. There's 0 proof of anything being left of the Realm.
Using "hum the Mergequakes causes great destruction and suck people inside" isn't disproving Tier 2. Also, did you just straight up ignore our argument of why the Merge affected the Realms in a different way than Mergequakes did?
And? Re-Read previous argument
That's explaned twice in the show
Provide evidences that a single piece of the Realm is left (except for the grain of sand)
Appeal to tradition
The fact we dont see the space of djinjago collapsing when its destroyed? the fact that Arrakore went back? The fact that it was affected by the merge?
None of those are applicable here nor is what i was trying to say. I was trying to say that "Leaving nothing" doesnt automatically mean anything. You need to prove its space was destroyed, but as i said, the tier 2 thread will talk about all of this.
Because its an aftershock ≠ The feat isn't valid ? Also, we already explained how both the Merge and the Mergequakes don't affect Realms in the same way
Why would 2 other Realms trying to merge again disprove the feat? I litterally don't see anything wrong
Went back to a empty void with only a grain of sand left? What now? Characters can't move inside a empty space where a Universe once existed?
)Already explained why Djinjago didn't truly merge
I already did, and there's no explicit evidence something else then the grain of sand is left of the Realm
This would be a point... if we didnt literally see a scene of them in djinjago. If only the land was seen destroyed and no space, then its a direct anti feat.
I already explained how your positions dont make any logical sense and doesnt make sense in series context. If you dont have any tangible arguments and instead will repeat the same points, then this discussion with yall has no reason to continue
Why would being in Djinjago right before its destruction even prove your points ? It got obliderated right after Nadakhan left.
All what you did is add things to the feat, not debunk anything
This wouldn't happen if you could read what we think about Mergequakes and The Merge. You're acting like they are affecting the realms on the same level/in the same way.
we dont see space affected, therefore space wasnt affected.
I never said it did, mergequakes arent tier 2 to begin with. the merge is tier 2.
Disproves the notion that closing a mergequake stops realms from sharing a space.
No one argued that
Youre right, Merge is affecting the realms, mergequakes arent. glad we cleared that up
