Servant Heat resistance

[Dargoo_Faust]

> And for the last time, I don't care.

Cool. I reject this CRT as it applies to every servant, then. Re-read our site rules and our pages on Fallacies and Feats, that's all I have to say.

You've repeatedly refused to engage in any form of debate that involves objective evidence sharing, and are interpreting evidence that doesn't support your conclusions using logic that we explicitly frown on as a site. Obviously you don't care about what I have to say in response to this, so I might as well just say what this conversation will enevitably lead to. Get another adminstrator if you're so keen on ignoring our policies.

 

[Tllmbrg]

> And for the last time, I don't care.

Cool. I reject this CRT as it applies to every servant, then. Re-read our site rules and our pages on Fallacies and Feats, that's all I have to say.

You've repeatedly refused to engage in any form of debate that involves objective evidence sharing, and are interpreting evidence that doesn't support your conclusions using logic that we explicitly frown on as a site. Obviously you don't care about what I have to say in response to this, so I might as well just say what this conversation will enevitably lead to. Get another adminstrator if you're so keen on ignoring our policies.

Imma just chime in, I don't see why it'd not apply to other servants when the servants in question don't have any association with fire in their lore or anything of the sort, while yes other servants complained about the heat we can simply say different servants have different levels of heat resistance. Just saying people who can take on Karna's attacks should probably have it too considering his are fire based and can easily melt rocks and so on, same principle for cold resistance since the servants in the Lostbelt don't have any special skills relating to cold(unless Mash, Musashi and Beowulf and so on have connections that'd give them said resistance)

If it was just one servant sure we could just they have X resistance for unknown reason but why'd several servants showcase not having adverse effects to the environment when they don't have in their lore anything about fire or ice if it's not implied servants in general can resist heat or cold?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

This comment basically answers everything you brought up here, as LSir made that same exact argument twice.

You need to have actual evidence this applies to all servants. "Some servants have heat resistance, therefore all servants have heat resistance" explicitly isn't a valid argument on this site, which is why you can't take specfic examples and generalize them to all characters in a verse/setting just using what was brought up here.

I'm only commenting again since it's a seperate person asking this time, but I'm sincerely putting my foot down on this if LSir and you refuse to give proper evidence and reasoning.

 

[Tllmbrg]

This comment basically answers everything you brought up here, as LSir made that same exact argument twice.
You need to have actual evidence this applies to all servants. "Some servants have heat resistance, therefore all servants have heat resistance" explicitly isn't a valid argument on this site, which is why you can't take specfic examples and generalize them to all characters in a verse/setting just using what was brought up here.

I'm only commenting again since it's a seperate person asking this time, but I'm sincerely putting my foot down on this if LSir and you refuse to give proper evidence and reasoning.

Welp even if we don't agree that all servants should get said resistance los should

Everyone in the video I linked Anyone who can take Karna's attacks on(Siegfried and such) Anyone who can take on Exclibur since its a heat based attack(Hercules and so on) People who can be near Surtur's 4 billion degrees sword People who can take other notable heat based attacks(Like that orange loli Oni's NP)

Also just wanna mention that my argument isn't like LSir's besides the point about the lore of charcters not showcasing anything heat related, I also brought other stuff like how it seesm weird showing several servants not having any problem with the cold in the Lostbelt and not comment on them having anything special against said envoirment And I also want to add I disagree with some points he made like with Serenity's durability and such

 

[Sheogorath3]

What are the conclusions here?

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I think everyone agrees that the feats are valid for the Servants who perform them, although I'm extremely against using those feats to apply to other servants as the justifications being used are explicitly against site policy.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Then there's a lot of edits we need to do then

Gonna be a pain in the ass but what cxan you do?

 

[ThatDarnFish]

Regarding the Heat Resistance of Raikou, Kiyohime and Serenity. Now I might be wrong, but that entire encounter seems like little more than gag/humor regarding the three's ridiculous obsession and just how far they will go for the Master's sake. Elizabeth reacts in pain from a bit of lava splashing on her and calls the area "unbearably hot", and the fact that the company all complain about the heat like anyne else would takes away any real heat resistance. And when the Raikou, Kiyohime, and Serenity dive into the lava, everyone else is surprised to see that they survived. The only one who openly states that the heat doesn't bother her is Ibaraki, and that makes sense since she's a fire Oni. She even says "They're not even Oni! How can they jump into boiling lava and still survive!?" What's more, Elizabeth states that those three were like Zombies, coming back no matter how many times they were beat down. All by the "Power of Love!" for the Master.


But aaaanyway. No, I don't thing that bit from the Halloween event counts to Servant heat resistance.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Regarding the Heat Resistance of Raikou, Kiyohime and Serenity. Now I might be wrong, but that entire encounter seems like little more than gag/humor regarding the three's ridiculous obsession and just how far they will go for the Master's sake. Elizabeth reacts in pain from a bit of lava splashing on her and calls the area "unbearably hot", and the fact that the company all complain about the heat like anyne else would takes away any real heat resistance. And when the Raikou, Kiyohime, and Serenity dive into the lava, everyone else is surprised to see that they survived. The only one who openly states that the heat doesn't bother her is Ibaraki, and that makes sense since she's a fire Oni. She even says "They're not even Oni! How can they jump into boiling lava and still survive!?" What's more, Elizabeth states that those three were like Zombies, coming back no matter how many times they were beat down. All by the "Power of Love!" for the Master.


But aaaanyway. No, I don't thing that bit from the Halloween event counts to Servant heat resistance.

I mean I guess, heck Mash has better feat resistance feat then that by a long shot with her not instantly getting vaped by Solomon's beams But other servants should get heat resistance off being able to tank Karna's attacks, Ibaraki's NP and so on

 

[ThatDarnFish]

I mean I guess, heck Mash has better feat resistance feat then that by a long shot with her not instantly getting vaped by Solomon's beams But other servants should get heat resistance off being able to tank Karna's attacks, Ibaraki's NP and so o

Servants having heat resistance can only be applied when/if it's displayed outside of gameplay. Even then, tanking someong doesn't mean you have resistance to it. It just means your Durability is really good, doesn't it? Mash not instantly vaporizing doesn't mean she's heat resistant. Not saying that Servants in general don't have heat resistance, but THIS particular cutscene shouldn't be used to make the case for them having it.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Servants having heat resistance can only be applied when/if it's displayed outside of gameplay. Even then, tanking someong doesn't mean you have resistance to it. It just means your Durability is really good, doesn't it? Mash not instantly vaporizing doesn't mean she's heat resistant. Not saying that Servants in general don't have heat resistance, but THIS particular cutscene shouldn't be used to make the case for them having it.

No not really, good durability aka endurace and heat resistance as mentioned by Dargoo are different things Solomon's beam is even stated to be powerful as 1 million Excliburs which is a heat based weapon Also I'm just saying this should show that Mash has heat resistance not servants in general and that cutscene is outside regular gameplay so why not use it?

 

[ThatDarnFish]

No not really, good durability aka endurace and heat resistance as mentioned by Dargoo are different things Solomon's beam is even stated to be powerful as 1 million Excliburs which is a heat based weapon Also I'm just saying this should show that Mash has heat resistance not servants in general and that cutscene is outside regular gameplay so why not use it?

Oh no. I meant when you talked about servants tanking Karna or Ibaraki's NPs, not the part with Mash holding of Goetia's NP. I know they are two different things, that's why I'm saying it should be looked at closely so that one doesn't confuse having high endurance/durability with having a resistance to something. either way, Mash still got vaporized by the heat, and has had no showings of heat resistance for herself, just good endurance. Otherwise, she'd have it listed on her abilities list.

Speaking of, I'm amazed Mash's Endurance is only A rank.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Yes she got vaporized but not instantly so she still should get resistance off that, also her shield survived through it so it should get heat resistance as well