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Actually I confused frames with seconds earlier; Sans's 1st attack would likely deal around a quarter or less of Gumball's max HP, depending on Karma math & assuming little to no dodging/resistance.
ok so Gumball can survive the First attack normally regardless right?
 
He needs to slam his arm downward first

also if Blue mode is what is causing it, then why isn't Frisk taking any damage while in blue mode when Sans does it until the end
Frisk does take damage from his slams at the end, that's the whole reason his TK is 9-A LMFAO
 
ok so Gumball can survive the First attack normally regardless right?
If he can survive his soul being broken into Itty bitty pieces in less then a second, sure! Cause Sans only has 39 non-regenable health to get through in regards to his soul
 
Are you assuming Gumball has to reach for the cellphone AFTER his 1 hour of preptime the OP says Gumball has?
Yeah, he still needs to reach it and press numbers on it to use it

Actually I confused frames with seconds earlier; Sans's 1st attack would likely deal around a quarter or less of Gumball's max HP, depending on Karma math & assuming little to no dodging/resistance.
Well, gumball's hp is apparently useless here since it isn't soul based

He needs to slam his arm downward first
So?

also if Blue mode is what is causing it, then why isn't Frisk taking any damage while in blue mode when Sans does it until the end
Determination, they did something similar in the asriel fight
 
If he can survive his soul being broken into Itty bitty pieces in less then a second, sure! Cause Sans only has 39 non-regenable health to get through in regards to his soul
did you even see the correction?

He survived easily even without Soul resistance and Karma added (if your talking about the console thing)
 
Is it the case that:
1. Sans uses Blue Mode & Telekinesis to throw the SOUL into the wall?
2. Blue Mode applies Gravity Manipulation to the SOUL, making it have to jump to move around the Bullet Board like a platformer, rather than moving freely.
3. Some instances of Blue Mode Telekinesis/Gravity Manipulation don't do damage to the SOUL? If so, when & why?
ok so Gumball can survive the First attack normally regardless right?
Almost certainly yeah.
If he can survive his soul being broken into Itty bitty pieces in less then a second, sure! Cause Sans only has 39 non-regenable health to get through in regards to his soul
Why does Gumball only have 39 HP in this circumstance?
 
did you even see the correction?

He survived easily even without Soul resistance and Karma added (if your talking about the console thing)
999 health in regards to his Physical body. 20 in regards to his soul.
Is it the case that:
1. Sans uses Blue Mode & Telekinesis to throw the SOUL into the wall?
2. Blue Mode applies Gravity Manipulation to the SOUL, making it have to jump to move around the Bullet Board like a platformer, rather than moving freely.
3. Some instances of Blue Mode Telekinesis/Gravity Manipulation don't do damage to the SOUL? If so, when & why?

Almost certainly yeah.

Why does Gumball only have 39 HP in this circumstance?
Why would his HP carry on over to his soul?
 
Is it the case that:
1. Sans uses Blue Mode & Telekinesis to throw the SOUL into the wall?
Yeah

2. Blue Mode applies Gravity Manipulation to the SOUL, making it have to jump to move around the Bullet Board like a platformer, rather than moving freely.
didn't understood the question

3. Some instances of Blue Mode Telekinesis/Gravity Manipulation don't do damage to the SOUL? If so, when & why?
When sans tries really hard because frisk is so much stronger then him

Almost certainly yeah.
Not acctually since his hp is not soul based

Why does Gumball only have 39 HP in this circumstance?
His console hp is not soul based
 
Ah right.
Lack of evidence RPG Gumball's HP is indicative of his Soul's survivability, & 20 being baseline HP for a human with a SOUL in UT's system, right?
yeah

he does have another win con with the remote though if we decide to rid of his soul resistance (this one isn't changed tbh)
 
Ah right.
Lack of evidence RPG Gumball's HP is indicative of his Soul's survivability, & 20 being baseline HP for a human with a SOUL in UT's system, right?
Correct, while Gumball ain't a human it's the most info we have for soul health since Monster soul health is completely unknown
 
didn't understood the question
When the SOUL is Red, it can float & move around freely in any direction, within the area called the Bullet Board, right?
It's Gravity Manipulation that affects the SOUL for Blue Mode to send the SOUL to the "floor" of the Bullet Board, so that the SOUL can only move by going horizontally &/or jumping. Similar to how a character in a platformer game controls; Not flying freely in any direction, but moving by running & jumping.

These limitations, to prevent the SOUL moving freely are a form of SOUL-affecting Gravity Manipulation, right?
I'd honestly call for verse equalization on the HP points
You uh you wanna go for that again?
Verse Equalization isn't valid here? Why not?

Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.

Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses. For example, mind control resistance by being a capable mind user would also work against other Verses, but mind control resistance through a strong will would not necessarily work against mind control from other Verses. It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess. However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

Equalization works highly on a case-by-case basis, so many relevant cases should be discussed in the versus thread itself.
 
Verse Equalization isn't valid here? Why not?

Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.

Furthermore, attacks that require a special type of energy to be effective, like anti-magic requiring magic, will be assumed to work against the energies of different Verses, as long as they are somehow similar and the mechanics are somehow compatible with the known mechanics behind the energies from different Verses. For example, mind control resistance by being a capable mind user would also work against other Verses, but mind control resistance through a strong will would not necessarily work against mind control from other Verses. It is also important to note that characters won't lose or gain any abilities or resistances which they do or do not inherently possess. However, if an ability has a weakness, condition, caveat, or limitation, consistently shown throughout its use (such as not working on characters under a specific condition, like energy gap) or stated by a valid and uncontradicted statement, then it should be applicable after the equalization.

Equalization works highly on a case-by-case basis, so many relevant cases should be discussed in the versus thread itself.
Once again, why would HP in regards to the physical body be HP in Regards to then soul? Verse Equalization don't work like that
 
If the boss fight was Sans vs another monster, yeah, I'd see your point, but it ain't so...
You mean another UT monster where Verses wouldn't need to be equalized anyway becausr they're already from the same system?
I thought it was about what the HP represented, not the species.
Also, implying a blue, bipedal, talking cat with that many abilities isn't a monster of some kind already.
 
Another UT monster where Verses wouldn't need to be equalized anyway becausr they're already from the same system?
I thought it was about what the HP represented, not the species.
I mean that physical attacks tend to drop down a Monster's HP bar(Napstablook and Mad Dummy are notable exceptions)
 
When the SOUL is Red, it can float & move around freely in any direction, within the area called the Bullet Board, right?
It's Gravity Manipulation that affects the SOUL for Blue Mode to send the SOUL to the "floor" of the Bullet Board, so that the SOUL can only move by going horizontally &/or jumping. Similar to how a character in a platformer game controls; Not flying freely in any direction, but moving by running & jumping.

These limitations, to prevent the SOUL moving freely are a form of SOUL-affecting Gravity Manipulation, right?
ok, the answer is yes
 

I don't know, gumball could just throw sans off guard and incoherently babble him into dust in a few seconds

is this in character for gumball? also i don't see how he would be able to talk to sans when being slamed left and right and attacked form multiple directions at the same time
 
Nah, he only did it so he and Darwin could hang out with the elderly citizens, and since he's in-character for this fight I highly doubt he's gonna go "I better age this weird skeleton guy into dust!"
true though again he has the remote as a win con

which has been a back and forth on who is faster in doing their moves
 
imo this is a win regardless of whether Gumball having soul manip resistance or not

former can win with both the console and remote

later wins with remote b/c even San's TK would likley be resisted by Gumballs Pain Manip
 
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