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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)

Aswell, based on this following scan it seems Kurumada believes Cosmo to be of a more fundamental essence than soul and mind. I'll paraphrase what I was told here since I'm not a kanji expert:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/959611949165973606/1020783408563114004/Saint-05-0038.jpg
'Here 精神 is in fact being used to say both "soul" and "mind" and it's also describing Cosmo as an even more fundamental essence as 生命 is used. It's the "whole" of an individuals "existence.'
 
Seishin is more of a religious term for metaphysical aspects if memory serves me well. And it wouldn’t make sense for Shura to be talking about his literal mind, as someone pointed at to me he got slashed across the torso, but the head.

Kreios is certainly attacking a metaphysical aspect of Shura’s being. Whether it’s his soul or some other metaphysical aspect is up for debate, but at that points it’s splitting hairs and mostly a semantical argument - which I don’t have the energy to take part in.
 
AlexZiggy said:
Aswell, based on this following scan it seems Kurumada believes Cosmo to be of a more fundamental essence than soul and mind. I'll paraphrase what I was told here since I'm not a kanji expert:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/959611949165973606/1020783408563114004/Saint-05-0038.jpg
'Here 精神 is in fact being used to say both "soul" and "mind" and it's also describing Cosmo as an even more fundamental essence as 生命 is used. It's the "whole" of an individuals "existence.'
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Literally, the word used is psyche/mind, something that is also no different during the scene you describe, where Kurumada does not use the word soul at any point and simply describes the cosmos as being granted by his heart (心), mind/spirit/psyche (whatever you wish to call it) (精神), life/life force (生命) and ability/capacity (器量), before describing that the Seventh Sense is the true essence of the cosmos. In short, the Bronze Saints and probably also the Silver Saints believe that the cosmos is a force granted by their will/mind/psyche (that's why a disturbance of their psyche like rage can increase their cosmos or loss of will can make them weaken), life (the cosmos is basically connected to the life of living beings, that's why when they die their cosmos disappears with them, this is basically the way the Saints perceive that someone has died from a distance because their cosmos disappears) and ability, something that is true, but it is a half-truth as Mu explains, since the true essence of the cosmos is the 7th Sense.

They are simply referencing the mind/psyche in that scene, as they literally use the 精神, which as I indicate this word is used to describe the psyche, that's why Thanatos himself clearly indicates that he will kill Seika to torture or damage Seiya's mind/psyche during that moment, unless you believe that Seika has Seiya's soul, which is nonsense. So they never describe that they can damage a soul and only damage the opponent's body and mind/psyche, that's why even in that scene Shura starts to have a vision about Aiolos' funeral.
 
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精神 can be taken as spirit/soul, but clearly not in the sense of incorporeal ghostly body from the context we see it used in
Soul
emotional or intellectual energy or intensity, especially as revealed in a work of art or an artistic performance.
"their interpretation lacked soul"
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spirit


1.
the nonphysical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.
"we seek a harmony between body and spirit"

2.

those qualities regarded as forming the definitive or typical elements in the character of a person, nation, or group or in the thought and attitudes of a particular period.
"the university is a symbol of the nation's egalitarian spirit"
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This is the sense of soul/spirit it refers to, which is why we see Thanatos use it while mentally torturing Seiya and trying to break his "spirit" by killing Seika, or why it's used to what the Genromaoken takes control of, which we know is the mind, and these instances don't describe the literal soul in any way.
 
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luis3333 said:
a question who would win between titan and the other kings of palas vs radamantys with the blood of hades
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Based on what I’ve seen, Titan and the others are much too slow to contend with Rhad, as they are only multiple times faster then golds, where as Rhad has the speed of a god. He’d simply blitz them immediately.
 
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I’m talking about gods in general, which have general statements of controlling fate and destiny, at least as far as I remember. Saturn also has one as I recall
 
SSJGeminiJJ said:
Basically it would be strange for this to be possible if they reappeared in their supposed positions in place light years away, especially in SS where the authors acknowledge the speed of light so often.
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Actually, Ss and the speed of light have a pretty iffy relationship. For example, when the Star of Eris on like, the other side of the universe started to shine brighter, Saints noticed the light from earth within moments.
It seems more likely that both the Sho and G authors just ignored or forgot the fact that light has travel time. Which does happen in fiction often. Stuff will be happening at Ftl speeds, and then it’s perceived perfectly. Or chars will be clearly conversing at supersonic speeds, etc
 
On the topic that fate applies to gods. Uranus says that Hades' words about Athena dying at the hands of a Saint also suggests gods are subject to fate and can fate hax each other. But Athena was reborn so that could be taken as fate resistance, but It depends on the exact wording honestly.
 
In GR Uranus says Hades' prophecy came true and got Athena 'killed'. Although I'm rereading the chapter and it seems that Hades' words were non specific, because in a latter panel Arges says that they 'turned that powerful prophecy against Athena'
 
AlexZiggy said:
In GR Uranus says Hades' prophecy came true and got Athena 'killed'. Although I'm rereading the chapter and it seems that Hades' words were non specific, because in a latter panel Arges says that they 'turned that powerful prophecy against Athena'
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That's referring to the special connection that Pegasus Saints have with defeating gods. It's not talking about a gods fate. Just that Hades realized what makes the Pegasus constellation so special
 
TheUnshakableOne said:
That's referring to the special connection that Pegasus Saints have with defeating gods. It's not talking about a gods fate. Just that Hades realized what makes the Pegasus constellation so special
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But he didn't attack her bro, he just lost faith and she poofed out of existence. Well she didn't really but her body did.
 
The more accurate statement I guess would be to say her body gave into the flames when Seiya lost faith. Maybe it's a mix of the two?
 
StekFence said:
An action he did, directly resulted in a deities death, thus godkiller
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I mean yeah. But Uranus makes it sound like it was Hades' prophecy, not a special property of the Pegasus constellation. I guess the question is whoever granted the Pegasus that power.
 
Ikki-Hades looks so fire
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Lancelot_de_Cancer said:
Some images from chapter 2 of Time Odyssey and this is the chapter that completes Volume 1 of this story.
www.cavzodiaco.com.br

Time Odyssey: confira fotos do segundo volume lançado no Japão!

A revista japonesa Champion Red foi oficialmente lançada no Japão e com isso tivemos acesso a segunda parte da HQ oficial dos Cavaleiros do Zodíaco, a Time Odyssey, produzida pelos franceses Jérôme Alquie e Arnaud Dollen, sob licença do mestre Masami Kurumada. Conforme divulgamos no lançamento...
www.cavzodiaco.com.br www.cavzodiaco.com.br
timeodyssey_japao_2_27.jpg


It seems that Ikki and the Moiras fought on a different plane and changed fate and the timeline, altering the fact that Ikki was originally chosen as Hades' host and, in the process, altering Hades' entire destiny as well. The main universe is basically a timeline altered by the Moiras.

I always wanted to see the Moiras in a Saint Seiya story and although I can say that their participation in this chapter was good, but I would have liked them to be the main antagonists of this story.

A bit of Guilty and Shaina's past is also shown.
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i been looking at this scan forever, and its no where stated that Hades had his destiny manipulated. their talking about the pendant and changing that moment in time. which is not anything directly affecting Hades destiny. more like its altering Hades plans not Hades himself.

Also Kairos was mentioned on this page.
 
Is it possible to say Cain's Galaxian Explosion shakes multiple galaxies?
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In the background when Cain performs GE against Odysseus, it shows what appears to be a completely different galaxy than the Milky Way?

Also I wonder why this isn't on his profile, this is easily one of the best feats done by any Gold Saint.
 
I'm not sure visuals are enough to argue that. Although I believe there have been instances where GE has been compared to 'galaxies' exploding, not just a single one.
 
I think the visual can be used in this instance because unlike the other instances when it was used, where it was just a statement of what it can do or has a power of, in this scene again really shakes the galaxy or more and this is a real event that’s happening in real time as he says.
 
Dark Wing - Chapter 18:


Interesting, Hades didn't know what he was wrong when he said that Wynver was his strongest Specter and could easily defeat Athena's Saints.

Shoichiro overcame Gemini Saint and his most powerful technique in their previous fight, because he received less injuries than his brother in the clash of their techniques, even though it was the first time he used his Wraith powers. Now he stops Eito's Excalibur at full power with only one hand, outmatches him in speed and almost defeats him with a Greatest Caution (without all his power, because he claims to be weakened by his fight against Gemini).

Although the Demiurge comes to Eito's rescue and seems to give him a power up so he can fight a weakened Shoichiro.

Rirese of Poseidon - Chapter 1:


TheUnshakableOne said:
i been looking at this scan forever, and its no where stated that Hades had his destiny manipulated. their talking about the pendant and changing that moment in time. which is not anything directly affecting Hades destiny. more like its altering Hades plans not Hades himself.
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They literally changed the entire original timeline, where Hades took control of Ikki and thanks to Ikki's body defeated Athena in the Holy War, the pendant is just for Hades to find the body of his host, because before the change they had chosen Ikki with him. So basically the whole original timeline and Hades' fate was altered with the switch from Ikki to Shun.

More details about Time Odyssey:
  • In this manga it is revealed that Guilty's real name is Jorge and that he was the Silver Saint of Fornax.
  • Also presented is another Silver Saint exclusive to this story, which is the Sculptor Rodin, he is the guy who appears giving his mask to Shaina and also this guy created the Guilty mask, by the way this detail is completely different from what was shown in TLC where this mask had a connection with the Black Saints.
  • The story about the origin of the Cloths seems to follow the idea that these armors, at least some Bronze and Silver Cloths, were created to fight against Poseidon, and were created by alchemists from the continent of Mu, this continent is said to have been destroyed when someone with a heart full of anger and desire for revenge tried to wear the Phoenix Cloth, but this Cloth rejected it and released flames that destroyed this continent. The way this story is told seems to be a legend that Guilty knew, so it probably cannot be taken as a complete fact.
Wow, we reached a point where even the spin-offs contradict each other and also literally with the inclusion of these two Silver Saints it is impossible to create a shared universe, because they already exceed the number of the 24 Silver Cloths that were named in some sources like Episode.G and others.

Kairos has no relevance to this when the writer and cartoonist of this comic clearly states that he did not take any of the spin-offs into account when writing his story.
 
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They were never a shared universe to begin with. Their canon to each other in a shared multiverse.

Writing a blog on it currently
 
SSJGeminiJJ said:
Doesn’t Titan Kronos appearance in this story also imply Episode G’s story doesn’t exist?
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Yes, it must also be said that Dohko describes this Chronos as the cruelest of the Titanic deities. It seems that in the notes of the collector's edition, it is described that the Chronos of this story does not have a physical form like the one in Next Dimension, that's why it seems to be formed of energy, maybe at the end of the story we will see it become the lake that appears in Next Dimension.
 
Lancelot_de_Cancer said:
Yes, it must also be said that Dohko describes this Chronos as the cruelest of the Titanic deities. It seems that in the notes of the collector's edition, it is described that the Chronos of this story does not have a physical form like the one in Next Dimension, that's why it seems to be formed of energy, maybe at the end of the story we will see it become the lake that appears in Next Dimension.
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Wjat page says this chronos has no physical form?
 
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