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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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Man.. my team and i just keep finding nutty things in the franchise
We found evidence that Episode G Titan King IS Chronos in ND
We found evidence that Episode G Titan King IS Chronos in ND
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That family tree implies Zeus had a kid with his cousin.... If I'm reading that right...
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thats greek mythology for ya lmao
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The Tomo version always removes all the notes placed by the editor at the end of the chapter, because they are not written by the author.
Cronos of Episode.G is not the same that Chronos of Next Dimension, even in Requiem it is said that the Titans are dead and will never return, because they ended up trapped in the depths of the Tartarus.
If Kurumada introduces Chronos as the Titan in future chapters, it would only confirm that Episode.G is not canon to the main universe, and Kurumada has his own version of these gods. But, for the moment, Cronos and Chronos are different gods and Episode.G is still part of this universe.
That is a general description of Greek mythology, it doesn't mean that Kurumada will introduce it that way in his story. And the other stories don't seem to follow the mythology 100% either, for example in Episode.G, Chaos is not a god, it's just the way the world was before its creation, when all the elements were mixed, that's why Iapetos created chaos when he mixed all the elements again.
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idk about Cronus = Chronos, I've always made the distinction. But if you can't see that Caos the deity and Chaos the substance (mix of all elements + light and darkness) are 2 completely different things, then idek what to tell you.....
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Okada never introduces Chaos as a god, he only introduces Chaos as an substance (a mixture of all the elements: fire, earth, water and air) that existed when the world still had no form. For Okada the oldest god and the great mother of all gods is Gaia.
We also don't know if Chaos exists as a god for Kurumada, because in an interview he seems to insinuate that he follows what is presented in the Orphic tradition, where Chronos is the father or origin of all gods (although Kurumada also mentions Gaia as a possibility of the progenitor god of all gods), but this is not yet described in his story, so it may be different.
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Those 2 things aren't mutually exclusive, Chaos can exist as a god and as a substance as 2 different things. It is true that Chaos (God) hasn't appeared in G, but G's God tree is closer to the Taizen's than Kurumada's current portrayal is, it's reasonable to assume Chaos (the deity) exists in some form.
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At the moment he does not exist as a deity in any series of the franchise, and the only author (Okada) who mentions chaos only introduces it as a substance, so this may be similar to Tartarus who also does not exist as a deity and is only a prison in the Underworld (similar to how Virgil described this place in Aeneid) in Next Dimension.
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Unpopular Opinion: But Abzu is closer to what Chaos is portrayed as.
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except the guide book written by the main author of the franchise
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By concept it is similar (it is the origin of everything and the darkness that exists before the universe as we know it), but it is a different deity.
This part is not for the franchise, it is only a general description of the mythology, a copy paste of some article of a book to give the reader information about the mythology, but it does not mean that Kurumada will introduce this way to his story, because as it has been seen several times he does not follow the mythology 100%. He even seems to enjoy using descriptions from period poets more than from mythology, which is why the Underworld is based on the description of Dante's work and the Tartarus on the description of Virgil's work.
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can you prove it's just a copy and paste from some rando book with 0 intent to be used? Seems to me Okada is using it pretty well
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The chapter (or that part) is named as an overview of Greek mythology, it is just a description of the myths for the reader. Even at the end of this section, all the books from which this information was taken are mentioned in the references.
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It kind of serves the same role yeah
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yeah also Abzu's existence was split apart and his power gave everyone the elements just like Dunamis.
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also can we take a moment to realize how wanked sun gods are in SS lol
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The Sun is usually the most important object in mythologies, so it makes sense ig
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Hi, yeah, no. Cronus and Chronos are two different people
Chronos was the Primordial God of time who existed before reality alongside Aether and Chaos. Cronus is the God of the harvest and son of Gaia. An easy way to remember is Chronos is " Χρόνος" which literally means "time" while Cronus is "Κρόνος" which while of an uncertain entomology, is generally considered to mean "Reaper" or "harvester"
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Question. Why do you quote my comment, when I clearly stated that Cronus and Chronos are two different gods.
Even in Kurumada's universe they seem to be two different gods, and the comment at the end of the chapter (Next Dimension - Chapter 18) linking Cronus to Chronos is clearly an editor's mistake. Kurumada has not yet given any description of Chronos in his story (he only describes that he is the god of time, an unknown even to a goddess like Athena, the only god who has time manipulation in this franchise to travel in time, and we can see that he has a different form than any other god), but it seems that it is not the same god as Cronus, and is probably based on the Orphic Tradition version of Chronos, where he was the creator of everything and father of all gods, but this is still a theory because it is not described in story of Next Dimension or any of Kurumada's work.
Also, don't use mythology when we talk about the Saint Seiya universe, a universe created by Masami Kurumada that doesn't follow what is presented in mythology exactly, even an example of a change is Eris who in this universe is daughter of Zeus and Nyx, because the author mixes both versions of the myth of the goddess where she is daughter of Nyx (without a partner) or daughter of Zeus and Hera, and the goddess is also a version of Satan in this universe (similar to how Poseidon is the god of the Old Testament and the one who caused the universal flood in this universe). If you are going to talk about Saint Seiya use what is described in this universe about the gods and not what is described in another source.
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do yall have scans for eris and her not dying due to the concept of discord exisitng
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Literally on her page bro
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it has no scans for it it just says abstract existence
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oh
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Should be on all the profiles with it imo
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Well that’s dumb. I’ll edit it when I get home and make sure the scans are put on her page
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This is the official translation of Seven Seas from that scene.
This is the Japanese scan (Tomo edition).
Eris: ...アア...ア...
Eris: ...呪われし人の子よ...
Eris: 憎きアテナよ...
Eris: 我は滅びぬ...争いある限り...かならずや...血の香る戦場に...ふたたび舞い戻ろう...
We also need to update the gallery with the official translation and Japanese scans.
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mistake
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Hey guys i made a tier 1-A saint seiya thread just for funzies
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Saintia Sho Volume 16 (Final) will be published on January 20.
santosdebronze.blogspot.com
This Volume costs 727 yen, so the price increased by 100 or 200 yen compared to the previous Volumes, this may indicate that the Volume has several extra pages and this final part of the manga may have several changes.
Volume 16 de Saintia Shô será lançado em janeiro.
Último compilado chega dia 20 de janeiro.
santosdebronze.blogspot.com
This Volume costs 727 yen, so the price increased by 100 or 200 yen compared to the previous Volumes, this may indicate that the Volume has several extra pages and this final part of the manga may have several changes.
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I wish the Cancer saints got better treatment, they seem to be among the weakest golds of every generation.
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Counter argument: Manigold exists
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Counter argument: Lancelot exists
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Defeated by Shura, and is irrelevant after receiving a God Cloth given by Tomoe, so it was not impressive in any way.
Manigoldo and Sage (young) are probably the Cancer Saints with the best treatment in the franchise, because Kurumada probably hates Cancer, Aquarius (the only salvation for Aquarius is Hyoga), Capricorn and Pisces, that's why in his manga they are always the weakest.
Poena/Deathmask (full power) if still considered a Cancer Saint, is the strongest in the whole franchise, he even managed to destroy the Yomotsu Hirakasa and affect all the souls there with his Seki Shiki Metsu Meikai Ha, and was also defeating Mu without much trouble.
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Idk about those two being hated.
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Kurumada always shows those two as weaker than the other Gold Saints, even when the strongest of the Bronze Saints is defeated by Suikyo, Gemini, Leo and Virgo; Hyoga can still defeat Aquarius easily and has to limit his power in order not to kill him, and he stops Capricorn's Excalibur (stronger than Shura) very easily, even when he can't fight with his full power because he is protecting Athena.
Degel can achieve miracles and overcome his limits to reach absolute zero, even on one special occasion he was able to defeat his master, Krest, a six hundred year old Saint who mastered absolute zero, although on that occasion Krest was not using a Gold Cloth. Degel (full power with absolute zero or miracles) is one of the strongest Gold Saints of his generation.
And then there is Aquarius Krest, one of the most powerful Gold Saints in the TLC universe, who is over six hundred years old, and had a great mastery of absolute zero, and also stopped an explosion with the combined power of Sage and Hakurei (which could kill these two) with no problem.
The constellations that Kurumada hates get better treatment in the spin-offs.
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