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Saint Seiya Discussion Thread (IV)
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It's bullshit.
He was building cosmo up in the reactor over time so it doesn't scale to anyone physically + they use pulverization value not sub atomic destruction.
It shouldn't even be used.
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For Algol and other high level silvers
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bruh..... That's just embarrassingly bad
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I forgot to mention that Dark Wing had his first antifeat in the last chapter.
Theseus believes that a Specter like Charlotte can die if it falls into the ocean and is caught by the strong ocean current.
The misfortune, bad feats and horrible animated adaptations haunt the series of this franchise.
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Fall damage is such a weird trope in any verse
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Did Charlotte actually die? If not, Theseus' statement is just conjecture and is inconsistent until proven otherwise.I forgot to mention that Darkwing had his first antifeat in the last chapter.
Theseus believes that a Specter like Charlotte can die if it falls into the ocean and is caught by the strong ocean current.
The misfortune and bad feats haunt this franchise.
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Charlotte says that she will survive because the Specters are immortal, although in chapter 2 it is said that the Specters in this universe are not immortal, because Hades is weakened. And we don't know what happened to her in the present, if she is alive it means that Theseus was just exaggerating.
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Due to the attack that destroyed the Underworld, where Hades used much of his power to protect the souls there, and Yoruhime says that there is something interfering with this holy war, that's why she has not fully awakened as Pandora, and the three Kyotos and the twin gods have not appeared, and Hades and Athena seem to have trouble fully awakening as well.sounds like hyperbole tbh, and I wonder why Hades is weakened?
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they can raise their power up to tier low 2-C, their base is 3-C but idk if your allowed to start them off at say 3-B
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Frick. Logically tho, that would be possible right?
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considering how much control they should have. that should be possible. like say they "Hold back their power and control it at tier 3-B"
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Gold Saints are said to have mastered the 7th sense which relies a lot on "Controling their power" and if you look at the Gemini Saints "GE" its redundantly stated to to affect an area as large as the milky way. but the damage is controlled to a reduce scale to not devestate all of earth or beyond it. So logically they should be capable of holding back a crap ton to match an opponent in "X-tier"
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Yes, but the Wiki does not have a profile for Dohko from the TLC universe. The only profile that exists is for his classic manga or main universe version, which is a completely different version from the one seen in TLC.
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Unfortunately we can't have profiles of literal carbon copies if the only thing they get is a power boost nothing else
Also the power up is unquabtifiable iirc
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I mean, u could just say, higher with so and so
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It is interesting to see how Kurumada always thought of Eris as an antagonist in Saint Seiya (she was probably even the first god to be an antagonist in this franchise, even before Poseidon and Hades), and it is even more surprising that he never used this character in a story written and illustrated by him.
The first movie of this series has Eris as the antagonist and is the film where Kurumada was more involved in its production, even this film is the one that introduces several ideas and concepts about the gods that would be retaken in Poseidon's Arc.
Then the Musical (Saint Seiya Super Musical) was released, which adapts the story of the first movie, but with a revised script by Kurumada himself (who has always been a fan of these productions) to adapt it to the story of Saint Seiya. For example, the protagonists use the Cloths of the Poseidon Arc, Eris has her own army of evil spirits (a concept that was expanded in Saintia Sho with the dryads) and the character of Orion is rewritten.
It is also interesting to see that the design of the Silver Cloths of the Ghost Saints changes a little and now Orion has a mask and not a helmet, similar to the Orion Cloth in the Saintia Sho, probably the original design of Kurumada for the Orion Cloth had a mask, and it was Araki who placed the helmet similar to what he did with the first versions of the armor of the Bronze Saints in the anime.
Finally the definitive version of Eris in the Saint Seiya universe is introduced in Saintia Sho. As Kuori explained in an interview the choice of Eris as the antagonist of this manga was Kurumada's idea, and also the author explains that "Evil Goddess Eris " (邪神エリス) was the movie where Kurumada was more involved in its production.
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À la question de savoir s’ils suivent le manga ou l’animé pour créer Saintia Shô, elle répond que, bien qu’elle apprécie l’animé, il lui faut avouer que ce dernier a déjà comblé et rempli pas mal de trous ! Par rapport au film mettant en scène Eris, la déesse de la discorde, et au fait que Saintia Shô reprenne cet antagoniste, Chimaki Kuori a indiqué faire comme si ce film n’avait jamais eu lieu. Le choix de mettre en scène Eris vient de Kurumada, une fois de plus, à la fois dans l’idée de féminiser le plus possible le casting, parce qu’il s’agissait du film dans lequel il s’était le plus impliqué à l’époque, et parce qu’il y reste donc très attaché.
The first movie of this series has Eris as the antagonist and is the film where Kurumada was more involved in its production, even this film is the one that introduces several ideas and concepts about the gods that would be retaken in Poseidon's Arc.
Then the Musical (Saint Seiya Super Musical) was released, which adapts the story of the first movie, but with a revised script by Kurumada himself (who has always been a fan of these productions) to adapt it to the story of Saint Seiya. For example, the protagonists use the Cloths of the Poseidon Arc, Eris has her own army of evil spirits (a concept that was expanded in Saintia Sho with the dryads) and the character of Orion is rewritten.
It is also interesting to see that the design of the Silver Cloths of the Ghost Saints changes a little and now Orion has a mask and not a helmet, similar to the Orion Cloth in the Saintia Sho, probably the original design of Kurumada for the Orion Cloth had a mask, and it was Araki who placed the helmet similar to what he did with the first versions of the armor of the Bronze Saints in the anime.
Finally the definitive version of Eris in the Saint Seiya universe is introduced in Saintia Sho. As Kuori explained in an interview the choice of Eris as the antagonist of this manga was Kurumada's idea, and also the author explains that "Evil Goddess Eris " (邪神エリス) was the movie where Kurumada was more involved in its production.
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Après la conférence de Shiori Teshirogi, c'est une autre artiste œuvrant dans l'univers de « Saint Seiya » qui a échangé avec ses lecteurs ce dimanche : Chimaki Kuori, pour « Saint Seiya : Saintia Shô », une série orientée héroïnes ! Saint (...)
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does the movie have anything interesting?
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Only as a base concept of the franchise, because in this movie Kurumada introduces for the first time some ideas and concepts that he would use in the future Arcs of the manga.
- Is the first time that a god appears as an antagonist in the franchise, and introduces the idea that these beings use the body of a chosen human as a host for their soul. And also introduces the idea of Athena sealing the soul of a god in an object, an idea that later appeared in the Poseidon Arc.
- Is the first time that Seiya uses the Sagittarius bow and arrow against a god or enemy in this franchise.
- Eris is the first god to resurrect a group of Saints to fight against Athena, an ability that Kurumada would later grant to Hades, who resurrected the Gold Saints in the Hades Arc. And this ability is also mentioned in Saintia Sho, although in a different way, since Eris does not resurrect mortals as in the movie and only brings them back to life transformed into dryads.
- The group of Silver Saints introduced in this movie is probably canon, because they were created and designed by Kurumada, although it is unknown what Kurumada's original design for these characters and Cloths looked like, because the movie version of these characters is a stylized design by Araki. And the Cloth of Sagitta and Lyra were used by Kurumada in his manga with the characters of Ptolemy and Orphee, confirming that these Cloths and constellations are canon and are Silver Saints as described in the movie booklet. Saintia Sho introduces the Silver Saints of these constellations, John, Georg and Rigel, although they are more similar in design to the Ghost Saints of the Saint Seiya Super Musical.
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The answer is no, because Kurumada never participated in that work in any way, although for the Wiki rules (not updated) the information from the 2001 version can be used, but this version does not mention anything about a 9th sense. And for the original manga or main universe the 8th Sense is the ultimate sense of the Saints, because Kurumada based this concept on the eight consciousnesses.
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Buddha's are enlightened beings, the 9th sense goes against their whole being and existence, of course they don't have it.
And no Saint knew about the 9th sense, it wasn't until Shura, Saga and Deathmask say the power of nothingness they even considered it's existence. Saints aren't exposed to the knowledge of the gods often, this is made perfectly clear with how they found out about the 8th sense - Shaka found out by being told from Buddha.
Hence, no statement made in Classic contradicts the 9th sense, the statements are made without the knowledge of it's existence, there's 0 contradiction.
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As for the Hypermyth the 2001 Taizen includes excerpts from the Hypermyth which is considered canon so those passages are canon. Unless you want to argue the Taizen isn't canon either, those passages will remain canon, just like any databook, any contradictions will be rendered null - this is true for any series regardless of media.
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Taizen introduces a different explanation of those descriptions (and Taizen also does not mention anything about a 9th sense, even in the glossary of this work only the 8th sense is mentioned), and as a guide is subject to change by the author in his future works, after all we do not know what Kurumada's full contribution to that work was. Even the official site which is more recent has a different and updated description for the characters and some character attacks.
In the Museum section of the official website, in the glossary of words, there is no mention of a 9th sense and they only describe the 7th and 8th sense.
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two errors the eighth sense is something that neither the gods have knowledge of and something that only golden saints possess and this goes much more against a 9 sense since shaka makes it clear that there are only the eight kurumada concias, manga or manga is not canonically shown either affirming the existence of divine will being something uniquely of the hypermyth
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As I said it contradicts what was shown in the classic manga where only the 8th sense is described as the ultimate sense of the Saints, a sense that even a goddess like Athena did not know, and she has to awaken like the rest of the Saints after Shaka revealed that secret.
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The website doesn't mention the 9th sense because maybe because it's not relevant to the plot given no character ascends to godhood....Taizen introduces a different explanation of those descriptions (and Taizen also does not mention anything about a 9th sense, even in the glossary of this work only the 8th sense is mentioned), and as a guide is subject to change by the author in his future works, after all we do not know what Kurumada's full contribution to that work was. Even the official site which is more recent has a different and updated description for the characters and some character attacks.
In the Museum section of the official website, in the glossary of words, there is no mention of a 9th sense and they only describe the 7th and 8th sense.
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Saori* Who is a HUMAN reincarnation of Athena and does not know.
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It's very clear the museum only references events in the original manga that are plot relevant....
