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The way you just phrased that post asking if you should change your vote led me to the conclusion that you didn’t read the thread as carefully as you should have before agreeing to it.I mean, I think it looks good and the math doesn't seem that iffy but the results were different unlike the AvA thread I've created where most ppl agreed
I did read it carefully but I didn't concisely analyze it; on the exterior and overall, I think it's fine.The way you just phrased that post asking if you should change your vote led me to the conclusion that you didn’t read the thread as carefully as you should have before agreeing to it.
Too cliche, nglJust argue for Low 1-C
Exactly, which is why I said you should’ve been more careful because this OP is advocating for 1-A, that’s going to need some very strong evidence to get accepted.I did read it carefully but I didn't concisely analyze it; on the exterior and overall, I think it's fine.
I was unresolved by other people's arguments but not entirely reassured.
1-A for the realms beyond the Low 1-A multiverseExactly, which is why I said you should’ve been more careful because this OP is advocating for 1-A, that’s going to need some very strong evidence to get accepted.
Yeah if you have aleph 2 universes, aleph 1 universes will just upgrade your structure to 1 higher dimensionalIt can be done but adding more universes according to what Ultima told me. Which is where I learned this lol. I'll see if I can find that lol
mathematicsI am confused. Can someone explain the first level of Qualitive Superiority that is displayed in the verse?
Is this higher-dimensional math referenced in the source material?mathematics
seems like itIs this higher-dimensional math referenced in the source material?
What quote are you looking at?seems like it
I thought MWI was 2B?This honestly sounds just like standard MWI, which is like 2-A.
uhmmm...
good question
I think it depends on whether the universes in question have infinite size. If it's similar to our universe in size, then it's probably 2B because all possible permutations, while still giving some insane numbers, would only be finite. If the universe is infinite tho, then in theory should give infinite permutations so 2A.I thought MWI was 2B?
As Garrixian pointed out in a,previous post. Is that the reasoning for Low 1-A is the same as his thread for AvA which he saw as reasonable here. (Also it was accepted) The reasoning for Tier 1-A comes from a Low 1-A structure being transcended (via QS) in a variety of ways.What quote are you looking at?
How is Low 1-C questionable?Seiya is 2-A for sure but even Low 1-C is questionable.
You might be able to claim Low 1-C with uncountable infinite universes but I’m not sure.How is Low 1-C questionable?
Garrixian is a she (As Garrixian pointed out in a,previous post. Is that the reasoning for Low 1-A is the same as his thread for AvA which he saw as reasonable here. (Also it was accepted) The reasoning for Tier 1-A comes from a Low 1-A structure being transcended (via QS) in a variety of ways.
Sorry... just woke up... my sleeping pills haven't worn off they affect my process of thought too...Garrixian is a she (about to get cancelled for misgendering RIP).
True, that is a possibility but additionally we have the SDS (Super Dimensional Space) which exist purely as the gap that separates universes (which by default is 5D iirc) the SDS is also stated to have its own Space and Time, and it exist inside "The universe" which is a higher form of space and time. Then you apply reality fiction difference with the soul and consciousness from therrYou might be able to claim Low 1-C with uncountable infinite universes but I’m not sure.
i got some IRL stuff to do today might take a moment for me to get back to this.So I'm breaking down the "Possible Recursionary Universes" in the provided blog.
- Universes in Saint Seiya could possibly be infinite recursions within each other. Where a Universe exist inside a Universe that Exist inside a Universe ad infinitum. This is never directly stated, but it is the way the Cosmology is shown.
- Do we have an image of this many layers of a universe inside a universe infinite recurse to make such a claim?
- For example, in Saint Seiya Next Dimension. The Kanji 星雲 (Galaxy) is used to describe different Universes.[16]
- Images 1 and 2 come from Chapter 19
- From the same chapter 19, I found this English translation of "all the nebulas that exist in the universe." It would be best to compare this with the original Japanese to confirm this distinction between Galaxy/Nebula and Universe.
- Image 3 has no source chapter and no english scan for comparison. What is the context of this scan?
- Another, and even better example, comes from Saint Seiya: Saintia Sho. This is where a "Galaxy"[17] was directly stated to be a "new universe."[18]
- These come from Saint Seiya: Saintia Sho Chapter 80 and 81 and have no Japanese Scan to compare to the English scan. Can you provide them?
- We also have drawings from the original Author, Masami Kurumada, where he himself drew "Galaxies" and directly stated within the manga that it was "A Universe."[19]
- Do we have a quote of Masami Kurumada saying that he drew galaxies or are we just saying what he drew looks like one.
- There is no Japanese Scan to compare to the English scan. Can you provide them?
- Additionally, we have Virgo Shaka vs Virgo Shijiama. During their clash with each other they created a multiverse, and that entire multiverse was contained, and created, inside a singular "space" which was also called "Another Dimension."[20]
- At the moment, these two are only accepted as Low 2-C at max power.
- Can you please provide the Japanese scans to verify the English?
I believe so. Or at least something close. In next dimension, it’s stated that all the nebula/galaxies in the universe are their own dimensions/alternate Timelines, which you can access with the door of space and time on earth. logically, those Should have their own galaxies/nebulas, and doors of space and time.Universe that Exist inside a Universe ad infinitum. This is never directly stated, but it is the way the Cosmology is shown.
- Do we have an image of this many layers of a universe inside a universe infinite recurse to make such a claim?
if you further read the chapter, Chronos states that those nebulas are dimensions explicitly. And it’s very clear he’s referring to universes when he says dimensions, because by entering the nebulas, you can travel to other timelines.From the same chapter 19, I found this English translation of "all the nebulas that exist in the universe." It would be best to compare this with the original Japanese to confirm this distinction between Galaxy/Nebula and Universe.
This makes sense, since they did it by repeatedly spamming abilities to manifest universes over and over, they didn’t do it all at onceAt the moment, these two are only accepted as Low 2-C at max power.
The image link here is deadFrom the same chapter 19, I found this English translation of "all the nebulas that exist in the universe." It would be best to compare this with the original Japanese to confirm this distinction between Galaxy/Nebula and Universe.
There’s straight up statements of infinite presents, and infinite future branches. 2-A seems definite to me.I think it depends on whether the universes in question have infinite size. If it's similar to our universe in size, then it's probably 2B because all possible permutations, while still giving some insane numbers, would only be finite. If the universe is infinite tho, then in theory should give infinite permutations so 2A.
I wanted to break these down in quote boxes, but uuhh the coding looked messing lolSo I'm breaking down the "Possible Recursionary Universes" in the provided blog.
- Universes in Saint Seiya could possibly be infinite recursions within each other. Where a Universe exist inside a Universe that Exist inside a Universe ad infinitum. This is never directly stated, but it is the way the Cosmology is shown.
- Do we have an image of this many layers of a universe inside a universe infinite recurse to make such a claim?
- For example, in Saint Seiya Next Dimension. The Kanji 星雲 (Galaxy) is used to describe different Universes.[16]
- Images 1 and 2 come from Chapter 19
- From the same chapter 19, I found this English translation of "all the nebulas that exist in the universe." It would be best to compare this with the original Japanese to confirm this distinction between Galaxy/Nebula and Universe.
- Image 3 has no source chapter and no english scan for comparison. What is the context of this scan?
- Another, and even better example, comes from Saint Seiya: Saintia Sho. This is where a "Galaxy"[17] was directly stated to be a "new universe."[18]
- These come from Saint Seiya: Saintia Sho Chapter 80 and 81 and have no Japanese Scan to compare to the English scan. Can you provide them?
- We also have drawings from the original Author, Masami Kurumada, where he himself drew "Galaxies" and directly stated within the manga that it was "A Universe."[19]
- Do we have a quote of Masami Kurumada saying that he drew galaxies or are we just saying what he drew looks like one.
- There is no Japanese Scan to compare to the English scan. Can you provide them?
- Additionally, we have Virgo Shaka vs Virgo Shijiama. During their clash with each other they created a multiverse, and that entire multiverse was contained, and created, inside a singular "space" which was also called "Another Dimension."[20]
- At the moment, these two are only accepted as Low 2-C at max power.
- Can you please provide the Japanese scans to verify the English?
im not exactly sure what your asking, but if its what I'm thinking it is. Yes, we are shown a recursion is happening. The best example is Saint Seiya: Next Dimension.Do we have an image of this many layers of a universe inside a universe infinite recurse to make such a claim?
From the same chapter 19, I found this English translation of "all the nebulas that exist in the universe." It would be best to compare this with the original Japanese to confirm this distinction between Galaxy/Nebula and Universe.
Image 3 has no source chapter and no english scan for comparison. What is the context of this scan?
Do we have a quote of Masami Kurumada saying that he drew galaxies or are we just saying what he drew looks like one.
31) You also seem to pay a lot of attention to character lines
Kurumada: I aim to reduce replicas of a word or line in speech bubbles. As this is a manga, I try to express things as much as possible through drawing.
32) Being concise is more difficult than making many lines, isn't it?
Kurumada: Since this is entertainment, ease of reading is essential. And then, more than long explanatory lines, I think that short lines have a greater impact and are more classy.
Interviews/RED201402/RED Champion Masami Kurumada 40 ans — SaintSeiyaPedia
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There is no Japanese Scan to compare to the English scan. Can you provide them?
At the moment, these two are only accepted as Low 2-C at max power.
There's quiet a few ground works for Tier 1Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m not seeing any of the groundwork in the OP for Tier 1 arguments. A lot of big things are being said, but there’s not a layout for me to really accept anything being suggested