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RWBY Vol 9 General Discussion Thread: Multiverse Of Therapy

Maitreya said:
That is not a guide Weekly đź—ż

It’s literally a book made about the fairy tales of in the world of Remnant you can buy online.

Amazon product ASIN 1338652087
What “guide” do you mean here? The fairy tales aren’t even taken as completely factual here. Evidently wrong since they’re actually proven to be wrong in series.
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Yes, a guidebook of the different fairy tales. Problem with your viewpoint is the statement does not come from a fairy tale, it comes from Ozpin's anthropological analysis of it coupled with his own knowledge of the gods.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Yes, a guidebook of the different fairy tales. Problem with your viewpoint is the statement does not come from a fairy tale, it comes from Ozpin's anthropological analysis of it coupled with his own knowledge of the gods.
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This is completely wrong. Ozpin says that statement comes directly from the versions of the creation story. It’s literally from the fairy tales.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Just because you do not like it does not mean it should not be dismissed.
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If you honestly believe that my argument simply boils down to “I don’t like it” after I’ve clearly explained my reasoning for disregarding the statement a couple times over now, then I’m just gonna take it as you just haven’t been reading my arguments and are just not acting in good faith here.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Yes. By his own words, every story of the gods has come from the Everafter and create the universe from nothing. Anything beyond those core facts is up to interpretation.
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Yeah…Ozpin says “every story claims this…”

He doesn’t make a statement of his own, he just says this is what every story claims. And what about, you know, all the other pages behind it? Are all those ok to dismiss but this one is just ok for interpretation. By its nature the statement is coming from something proven to be unreliable.
 
Also, rewatching the RWBY x JL film again for profile making purposes:

  • So none of the grimm in this world are real, so no new keys, but they can be used for scaling purposes since this is Atlas Arc RWBY.
  • The illusion Grimm can shoot lasers, which RWBY can react to
  • Ruby and Yang fought the new Griffins
  • Superman kills said Griffins alongside RWBY
  • The film lowkey confirms that Cinder killed Ozpin by breaking through his shield lmao
  • Vixen scales to Nora and Jaune
  • Bruce has detective mode, lets him see heat signatures an see stuff through walls and can see through illusions
  • Diana killed a Manticore, Sphinx, and several Lancers which would also fight Blake
  • Ruby reacts to a Beringel that copied Superman's heat vision
  • Semblance amped nora oneshot the Wyvern and the Leviathan, both of which were unaffected by her normal attacks and stomped basically everyone
  • Weiss has hacking skills?
  • Final battle is basically just everyone scaling to everyone
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Also, rewatching the RWBY x JL film again for profile making purposes:

  • So none of the grimm in this world are real, so no new keys, but they can be used for scaling purposes since this is Atlas Arc RWBY.
  • The illusion Grimm can shoot lasers, which RWBY can react to
  • Ruby and Yang fought the new Griffins
  • Superman kills said Griffins alongside RWBY
  • The film lowkey confirms that Cinder killed Ozpin by breaking through his shield lmao
  • Vixen scales to Nora and Jaune
  • Bruce has detective mode, lets him see heat signatures an see stuff through walls and can see through illusions
  • Diana killed a Manticore, Sphinx, and several Lancers which would also fight Blake
  • Ruby reacts to a Beringel that copied Superman's heat vision
  • Semblance amped nora oneshot the Wyvern and the Leviathan, both of which were unaffected by her normal attacks and stomped basically everyone
  • Weiss has hacking skills?
  • Final battle is basically just everyone scaling to everyone
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I think the main argument to all of this would be like “This is a simulation” kind of stuff.
 
Cire said:
What do we all think of the bomb feat btw?
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Cire i'm kinda getting tired of this bomb feat, so i'm gonna make it clear

stop bringing the feat, we ALREADY tried to do that, Weekly and Spinoirr i think

and they were considered not usable for scaling, and for precision, the arguments were basically the same that you are suggesting

PLEASE stop

sorry for the rudeness, but this needed to be said
 
Popted2 said:
Cire i'm kinda getting tired of this bomb feat, so i'm gonna make it clear

stop bringing the feat, we ALREADY tried to do that, Weekly and Spinoirr i think

and they were considered not usable for scaling, and for precision, the arguments were basically the same that you are suggesting

PLEASE stop

sorry for the rudeness, but this needed to be said
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First, your demanding tone is very much not appreciated nor appropriate, especially when I am not breaking any rules.
Second, there is the fact that Vine was able to output this level of power BEFORE the bomb hit him. He didn’t have to die to output enough power to contain the bomb. The explosion killed him, yes. But that’s because he was diverting his personal forcefield away from himself, as well as putting himself in the middle of a condensed explosion. This feat is totally valid. It’s just that we haven’t found a way to use it just yet.
 
The logic is that, if Vine had not extend his aura out, he would have survived the blast. But since he did, his own personal defense was lowered and that killed him.
 
If you trying to scale it to everyone AP’s then yeah Vine getting flash-vaporized is the “argument” against it.

Simply put that’s never, ever going to be accepted. Would you suggest real world humans are nuke tier for dying to nukes?
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
If you trying to scale it to everyone AP’s then yeah Vine getting flash-vaporized is the “argument” against it.

Simply put that’s never, ever going to be accepted. Would you suggest real world humans are nuke tier for dying to nukes?
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No one is scaling AP to it, only the damage cap for Aura
 
What I am saying is that Vine put out the AP in the calc BEFORE he died, not during the explosion. Like, he had to have created a force equal to the bomb before it went off to successfully contain it. During the explosion, he himself did not put force that amount of energy. That energy, in a sense, was already there before he put it out. That is why I think it is fair game. Along with the argument that he was diverting aura from his own forcefield, thus weakening his own defenses, and the fact that a condensed explosion is much more powerful then one that is allowed to spread out.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Yeah that’s fine. Pretty sure Cire has other ideas though.
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When could we apply that though? Also, I’d still like some clarification on the Vine bubble. It could be that I’m like wrong about his AP. Like, wouldn’t the act of creating a construct that could absorb the explosion still be an AP feat?
 
I was thinking more about the bomb calc and talked it through with some people, and here’s what I came through.

Vine would not fully scale to the bomb since the explosion greatly expanded the bubble he made. However, by the sheer fact that Vine was able to create the bubble in the first place that had enough power to halt the bomb, he should downscale easily. While he did die, theoretically, he could pull out that amount of power anytime he wanted to. Again, it was the ACT of creating the bubble, a construction feat, that boosts his AP, not the fact that he died from the explosion.

Furthermore, Team RWBY should easily scale to this due to the fact that they are able to contend with maidens, who are narratively stronger than anyone in the setting, including Vine. After all, Weiss was able to survive a blast from a bloodlusted Cinder, as well as Winter surviving an assault by Cinder too. And in both instances, they had no aura. Thus, this makes the scaling easier.

Again, I am not saying that Vine scales to the full yield of the bomb, since the bubble he made got stretched out. But he should still scale to a good amount of its yield. Where the AP comes from is him creating the structure that can contain the bomb, which he can do WITHOUT dying.

Lastly, no where is it stated that vine’s aura arms are any tougher than his regular aura. He just states that it is an extension of his aura.
 
I think we need to figure how much of his bubble stretched out first in order to see how much of the yield he scales to, if that makes sense?
 
Cire said:
They broke through the hard light shields first then broke the shield generators.
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They didnt. The geyser exploded upwards to Atlas, collided with the hardlight shield in liquid form, left the Grimm Ooze ON ATLAS, which spawned Centinels, who from there tunnelled through the shield generator foundation, which collapsed, and then Gravity is what made that huge chunk of land fall off.

Centinels being Tier 7 for this when its clearly just them weakening where the thing is actually standing on is just not accurate for this.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
it contained the entire blast, it would scale to the full yield
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I'm mostly just thinking about the whole stretchy aspect, but any comments is good. I'm not so good for these calcs. But I feel as though treating Vine's bubble as a creation feat is a good way to go about this calc, as he is making a strucutre that can tank the bomb, and he can do that at any time. Once more, it is not the act of creating the construct that kills him, it is the bomb itself.
 
Like, by creating that bubble, is outputting energy that has to be near equal to the bomb itself. I think a big reason why he died is because he was right next to the thing when it blew up and that it was very condesned onto his general area.
 
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