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Youre significantly overcomplicating this for no reason. All his semblance is is his aura extended into different shapes, nothing more, nothing less
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RWBY Vol 9 General Discussion Thread: Multiverse Of Therapy
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No one should scale to Vine either. It would just be his arms' durability
- The bomb killed him and his arms were still strained when it contained the blast putting it at the shaky borderline of the calc
- Theres been no prior showings of anyone breaking or piercing Vine's arms
- His semblance doesnt apply to other characters' auras as the semblance ability is unique to him, even though he is generally 'extending aura into limbs' for his semblance. No one else has this sort of link except maybe Jaune? But Jaune isn't scaleable
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It wouldnt scale to anyone' durability but it would scale to everyone's aura damage cap as this kind of feat is consistent throughout the series
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Tf does this even mean lmao. It’s just his aura
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It's not for no reason. Even if he is extending his aura into different shapes, those shapes have to have enough force in them to tank hits, right? The reason why this is so important is because they all come from his aura, his personal power source. It's not an outside force that is causing it.
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They do not, no
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What do you think i mean???
Obviously his Arms, made of the aura in his semblance? Thats kinda Vine's whole thing
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They do not what? I'm confused.
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Yes, which is just an extension of his own personal aura.
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The arms are made out of his aura, they dont have a set durability, just a damage cap
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So his aura???
Vine is basically just extending out his aura and covering his arms with it. He’s not like making his aura any stronger. The damage to his aura would be the same as doing damage to his “arms” since they’re the same thing.
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If this scales to everyones Aura damage cap, being a tier above their general power, it doesnt make sense how aura is even harmed.
Vine was very clearly well trained with his semblance and its aura morphing, more so than the main cast. His Semblance comes in this solid projection form unlike many other cast members to compare.
It was made very clear that the bomb would have killed Everyone on that ship, and in Mantle if it hit, but Vine took the sacrifice and used his unique aura projection abilities to contain it, so only he died.
If Qrow and Harriet and all that could no-sell the bomb exploding just with their aura (and still survive), then theres literally no risks here.
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The risk is that an entire town would have been blown up and thousands of innocent civillians would have died.
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He is definitely projecting his aura differently to what the cast can do as his semblance yes. Its in a way that no other member of the cast can mimic or have shown to compare to. We don't know his aura reserves (They're likely as big as Jaunes, where Jaune is still one of the lower tiered among the group).
Theres no other cast member that can wrap their aura in a bubble (clearly the biggest scaled feat Vine has shown as well as compared to just making limbs), contain a blast imploding in them, and survive, as the show made very clear. It was a sacrifice Vine performed and we dont know the full logistics of how it scales to everyone elses aura.
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It makes sense because aura as a power does not have a durability, its a forcefield with a health bar.
It has nothing to do with training, its literally just his semblance
The risk was the bomb going off above Mantle and killing everyone in the city
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Pretty sure Harriet activated the bomb before it hit Mantle, meaning it would have only directly hit the ship they were all in, and not Mantle where it was supposed to go.
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Him doing that is because its HIS SEMBLANCE. No one else can do that because no one else has that kind of semblance.
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Harriet didnt activate the bomb, Watts did
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Yes, but his semblance clearly makes unique use of his aura, that no other cast member can do or perform with their aura (like making constructs). Vines arms would have a durability, a limit to how much they can take before breaking. They arent just immune to instantly being sliced or bodied through, as we've seen before that AP can istantly overpower a characters aura and slice through them (like Adam did to Yang).
No one else can manipulate their aura like this, so i dont think we should be comparing the likes of Yang or Nora or any other characters aura durability based on Vine merely containing a bomb that killed him. There was no way for them to survive outside of it.
You need to train your semblance and Aura??? It can get stronger, and it was pretty well implied that Vine had the best understanding and reserve of aura out of the majority, given what he was saying to Jaune.
They were gonna drop the bomb directly on Mantle from the hangar. But that didnt happen in the end, and it would have just made a huge explosion killing them instead (and possibly falling down on Mantle). Harriet was literally trying to push it off. We know the bomb wouldn't have been huge enough to bomb both Atlas AND Mantle so theres clearly a range limit
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Yeah??? Im aware
So why does that mean everyone else scales to his Semblance's use of Aura, since its clearly more refined and different to how everyone else uses their aura
Pedantics aside, Harriet was still going to activate the bomb and push it down on Mantle. The Bomb clearly needed to land and explode IN Mantle, and not just above it indirectly.
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Because Blake and Yang basically one shot him in their fight in V7. Like, the only direct hits he takes in the fight are the explosions and Yang's slam, and that was enough to drain his entire aura reserve. And even though it's more refined, that doesn't mean he automatically has like more of it or that it's super special.
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Yeah, clearly being utilised in different, incomparable ways to the rest of the cast. I dont think anyone else's Auras, geneated as he usual 'forcefield' on order to protect the characters, could have no-selled the bomb that was made to blow up Monstro.
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Yes because it was due to his unique semblence, which allowed him to physically wrap his aura around the ship. Not once has it been mentioned that his aura was more speical or durable in its arm form then any other characters.
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That is super different. We don't know how Vine's semblance properly works with its aura distribution, but clearly Yang and Blakes attacks weren't comparable to the Atlas Bomb. His Aura Reserve doesn't exactly scale to his Arms, when fully extended outwards into a protective bubble, when taking both Yang and Blakes attacks.
Vine clearly isnt super powerful compared to the rest of the cast, but his Semblance is too unique and differently controlled to be compared to the general usage of RWBY's aura shields. No one in that RWBY-tier range could have no-sold the impact of that bomb, even with their aura up.
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I mean his semblance clearly utilises his aura in a more concentrated and controlled way. He seems to have the same deal as Jaune, having high aura reserves but still not having that directly mean you're the strongest person there.
It clearly is the most durable from the feat that it could contain that entire explosion, but the question now is why that would scale to the regular RWBY characters aura, when this feat was only possible because of Vine's semblance that would have actively focused in on aura.
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Its going to be added when we do the general aura CRT, ive been telling you this for weeks but you keep bringing it up lol
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Because it doesnt increase the durability of his aura, it only shapes it.
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first time I’ve heard about the general aura CRT. What else is gonna be in it, and what is the value placed on the cap?
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Somemore resistances, a few justification additions, and general cleanup
Varies depending on the season
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Alright but why would Vine's Semblance-based Aura constructs scale directly to other general RWBY charactwers, who cant manipulate their aura in this way, to a feat that Vine could only pull off because of his Semblance.
The bomb was made very clear that it was lethal to everyone on board as well. It was a bomb that was designed to blow up Monstro, a Grimm no one in RWBY except Ozpin's final stored-up attack could one-shot, and no character could directly survive Ozpins magic attack either (Neo was in the other side of Monstro, and shown no signs of just no-selling that explosion). So why would this scale over to every RWBY character of the same level as Vine when its made clear no one could have survived that bomb with their aura reserves.
The bomb was made very clear that it was lethal to everyone on board as well. It was a bomb that was designed to blow up Monstro, a Grimm no one in RWBY except Ozpin's final stored-up attack could one-shot, and no character could directly survive Ozpins magic attack either (Neo was in the other side of Monstro, and shown no signs of just no-selling that explosion). So why would this scale over to every RWBY character of the same level as Vine when its made clear no one could have survived that bomb with their aura reserves.
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What would the Atlas arc yield for the cap?
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You know…Vine’s aura actually did operate like cast at least in the particular instance.
Aura can be thought up like a bubble that’s around the characters. A very tightly compact bubble that’s around their body and can even be extended to their weapons which are outside their body.
All Vine’s aura does is take this already power and extends it for more variability in use. In the particular instance Vine just wraps a bubble around the ship, that same concept is applied to the characters only on a smaller scale where the “bubble” is just their bodies. So it’s really not any different conceptually.
So I don’t see why Vine’s usage of his aura warrants any notable tier difference in durability rather than just variability in use.
Aura can be thought up like a bubble that’s around the characters. A very tightly compact bubble that’s around their body and can even be extended to their weapons which are outside their body.
All Vine’s aura does is take this already power and extends it for more variability in use. In the particular instance Vine just wraps a bubble around the ship, that same concept is applied to the characters only on a smaller scale where the “bubble” is just their bodies. So it’s really not any different conceptually.
So I don’t see why Vine’s usage of his aura warrants any notable tier difference in durability rather than just variability in use.
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Having read the discussion about this, I agree. Characters shouldn't see to a unique ability just because they also have auras.
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Problem is its not a unique ability, its something that quite literally every character in the verse has. Once again Jinx is making up nonsense
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Because it doesnt change its durability in any way, all he does is stretch and shape his aura
And yet the halfthe cast withstood it thanks to their aura including Neo, who was inside Monstra when it exploded
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I think you might be confused then? Because Aura is the ability currently being discussed
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I'm referring to the ability to manipulate one's aura, which only a single character has.
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No? Thats something basically every character can do. All semblances manipulate the user's aura.
