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A calc would need to be done, its all abou how far she moved proportional to how far the beam traveled
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RWBY Vol 9 General Discussion Thread: Multiverse Of Therapy
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Gotcha. It's fortunate that we have two instances of Winter blocking those beams. Who could do the calc? And how can I help with it?
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What are the big points of this CRT again, if you don't mind me asking - just verse-wide tier upgrades for AP/SS/Dura + Speed Upgrades?
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If it isn't too hard, I can create a CRT for RWBY for the series upgrades in a few hours.
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Theres still more calcs to be done
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Gotcha.
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I mean if there is still a lot we don’t have to put in all in one CRT. We can split it into parts. What’s done so far and what’s left in terms of content?
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On the top of my head, we need to calc the LS feats for Winter, Yang’s manga punch, Yang’s temperature manipulation, and the inclusion of Arrowfell items.
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On the top of my head, I did attempt to do Yang's manga punch in the past; but couldn't progress with it because of two issues - 1. there isn't anything on the manga panel that can be use to pixel scale to get the size of the thing I need to pixel-scale, and 2. the manga not being in color made it difficult to assume if it was an explosion/shockwave or just a bunch of dust getting blow upwards; so it isn't really calc-able. imo.
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Honestly if yall want to go through Arrowfell to compile feats, abilities, and items to be added for now then go for it
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I can do it or Rusty can
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Gotcha. My biggest thing would be Winter’s LS stuff. Is there anything I can do to be of help to you guys?
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I feel like the Penny and Ironwood Light speed stuff should be left for it's own thread since those would have a massive impact on the verse (speed wise).
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Yeah it's probably gonna be highly controversial (not saying wrong, just controversial) and would slow things down if it wasn't by itself.
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You will need a lot of evidence to support them having LS. I remember back in the days where people refused to believe Kizaru was lightspeed except for one specific technique even though he constantly stated he can attack at the speed of light
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We already do have a lot of evidence, it checks literally every box on the lightspeed qualification list other than refracting in water because we havent seen it go through water yet
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We shall see in this supposedly CRT
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Winter does deflect the beam with ice, which is a form of water.
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Honestly if all the info is gathered, someone could probably make a high-speed thread quickly.
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I’m done for it. Might have to dip out later though. Gonna go see a movie with the parents.
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Neato. I hope you enjoy your time with your parents watching the movie
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No rush, hope y'all have a good time!
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what movie?
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80 for Brady.
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We are talking about putting some LS stuff in a separate CRT while others focus on more broad stuff such as Arrowfell items, new AP and durability feats, and the like.
The parts where Winter intercepts the beam are at :18 and 2:19. These parts are especially notable because Winter manages to block them AFTER Ironwood fired his beam.
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So Ruby's and Weiss' semblances are basically the same aside from Weiss now being able to make ice daggers as well as the ice sword from volume 2
Blake and Yang's semblances got buffs
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I should say that I can’t actually do the math, but just gather evidence together in a place.
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Should be fine. Probably better to get them accepted as LS before making calcs for them.
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,Alright so here's what I got for the lightspeed feats. Again, these are not calcs, but simply gathering evidence together.
Here we have Penny vs. Pyrrha. The part where Penny starts firing her beams and Pyrrha starts dodging them/moving in tandem with them are at 1:26 to 1:35.
Here we have Winter vs Ironwood. Winter intercepts Ironwood's beam two times, once at 00:17, and once at 02:18.
Now, as we all know by now, the standards for what makes a beam lightspeed here has changed. It is certainly true that Penny and Ironwood's beams don't act like normal lasers. After all, Penny's beams seem to have force behind them and Ironwood's explode. That does not automatically disqualify them as non-lightspeed lasers.
For Penny's beams having force, it has been discovered that while light does not carry mass, it does have momentum.
physics.aps.org
As seen here with this article. However, I hear some of you claim that the object they used to prove it was an extremely small gold plate, and that the distance it traveled by light was near minuscule. That is true.
www.thenakedscientists.com
However, an interview with Professor Lombardi of Cambridge college states thus:
Kerstin - The theory tell us that light does have a little bit of a push but I certainly cannot feel it when I switch on my torch. What's the point of all the theory then?
Anna - While the push of light is so tiny that you don't feel it in everyday life, we can observe it at the nanoscale in the world of the infinitely small. Arthur Ashkin, a scientist working at the Bell Labs in the seventies demonstrated that nanometer and micron sized particles can be accelerated, trapped and manipulated by radiation pressure of a highly focused laser beam.
Nowadays, scientists use light quite literally like optical tweezers to manipulate objects from cells to single atoms
Kirsten - Does that mean that we just need a superpower torch to move the big stuff?
Anna - If as a light source we don't limit ourselves to a simple torch, but we consider the Sun, then the radiation pressure exerted is strong enough to push spacecrafts and even asteroids from their path.
With this statement, we can see that sufficient radiation pressure in space can push large and heavy objects such spacecrafts and even asteroids. Before this, Professor Lombardi states:
Anna - The higher the frequency of the light, the larger its momentum and, therefore, a stronger force it can exert. This means that blue light will push you stronger than red light.
Thus, the argument can be made that Penny's beams are simply firing off the lasers at a very intense frequency that allows them to "push" objects away.
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Furthermore, it is generally agreed upon that lasers cut through material cleanly rather than fragment it, along with generating intense heat. For the cutting clean part, we can see Penny cut two Bullhead ships cleanly in half while leaving them with red outlines at the 00:36 mark.
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For the generating heat part, we can see Penny light up the MegaGoalith's tusk with concentrated fire from her lasers between 39:30 to 39:40.
For Ironwood's big ass gun, the evidence for it being a beam is even stronger. First, it was deflected by Winter's ice wall at 2:18.
As we have seen in this clip with Amber commanding cloud to ground lighitng and the very winds itself, maidens use natural materials for their attacks. Thus, it would make sense to assume Winter's ice shield was pure, natural ice.
www.physicsforums.com
In this science forum, it was explained by an advisor that solid ice is actually less reflective then pure water. Thus, the fact that Ironwood's laser bounced right back at him with almost pinpoint accuracy is further evidence that what was fired was a powerful laser.
Another point in Ironwood's favor, and one that will appease those who are still hung up about Penny's lasers producing force, is the fact that Ironwood's gun never produces any kickback whenever he fires it.
Here is the first time that Ironwood fires his gun, at the 10:24 mark. As we can see, Ironwood's arms do not buckle or get pushed back from the firing off such a large and powerful weapon. This trend continues on in his fight against Winter. At 1:19 and 2:17, we see him visible shot off the beams with absolutely no recoil.
It should be stated that, in this clip above, at 23:46, Kdin Jenzen, someone who has worked on the main show and knows the writers very well, states that the laser was meant to kill a maiden Penny. Thus, it would be reasonable to assume that this cannon that Ironwood uses would be perhaps one of the most powerful weapons Atlas has ever produced and that, if it were firing off mass, it would give off massive recoil. However, as stated above, this is not the case.
While some may lay claim that, since Ironwood's lasers explode on contact, they cannot be true lasers.
www.physicsforums.com
However, this forum post on physicsforums.com, which has its community members verfied for their expertise, states that lasers can cause explosions if the area where they are fired are overheated.
With all these points made, it is clear to see that lightspeed weapons do exist in RWBY. While they are certianly not shown as tradional laser weapons, there is enough supporting evidence to prove that they still hold the properties of light speed lasers.
Here we have Penny vs. Pyrrha. The part where Penny starts firing her beams and Pyrrha starts dodging them/moving in tandem with them are at 1:26 to 1:35.
Here we have Winter vs Ironwood. Winter intercepts Ironwood's beam two times, once at 00:17, and once at 02:18.
Now, as we all know by now, the standards for what makes a beam lightspeed here has changed. It is certainly true that Penny and Ironwood's beams don't act like normal lasers. After all, Penny's beams seem to have force behind them and Ironwood's explode. That does not automatically disqualify them as non-lightspeed lasers.
For Penny's beams having force, it has been discovered that while light does not carry mass, it does have momentum.
Light Pushes and Pulls
Two forces coming from a light beam—one based on momentum transfer, the other on thermal effects—drive a tiny gold plate to move in opposite directions.
physics.aps.org
As seen here with this article. However, I hear some of you claim that the object they used to prove it was an extremely small gold plate, and that the distance it traveled by light was near minuscule. That is true.
Can light exert a force to move an object?
Why don't you get thrown backwards when you switch on your torch? Kerstin Göpfrich found out from Dr Anna Lombardi.
However, an interview with Professor Lombardi of Cambridge college states thus:
Kerstin - The theory tell us that light does have a little bit of a push but I certainly cannot feel it when I switch on my torch. What's the point of all the theory then?
Anna - While the push of light is so tiny that you don't feel it in everyday life, we can observe it at the nanoscale in the world of the infinitely small. Arthur Ashkin, a scientist working at the Bell Labs in the seventies demonstrated that nanometer and micron sized particles can be accelerated, trapped and manipulated by radiation pressure of a highly focused laser beam.
Nowadays, scientists use light quite literally like optical tweezers to manipulate objects from cells to single atoms
Kirsten - Does that mean that we just need a superpower torch to move the big stuff?
Anna - If as a light source we don't limit ourselves to a simple torch, but we consider the Sun, then the radiation pressure exerted is strong enough to push spacecrafts and even asteroids from their path.
With this statement, we can see that sufficient radiation pressure in space can push large and heavy objects such spacecrafts and even asteroids. Before this, Professor Lombardi states:
Anna - The higher the frequency of the light, the larger its momentum and, therefore, a stronger force it can exert. This means that blue light will push you stronger than red light.
Thus, the argument can be made that Penny's beams are simply firing off the lasers at a very intense frequency that allows them to "push" objects away.
RWBY - First Appearance of Penny's Weapon (Fight with White Fang)
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Furthermore, it is generally agreed upon that lasers cut through material cleanly rather than fragment it, along with generating intense heat. For the cutting clean part, we can see Penny cut two Bullhead ships cleanly in half while leaving them with red outlines at the 00:36 mark.
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For the generating heat part, we can see Penny light up the MegaGoalith's tusk with concentrated fire from her lasers between 39:30 to 39:40.
For Ironwood's big ass gun, the evidence for it being a beam is even stronger. First, it was deflected by Winter's ice wall at 2:18.
As we have seen in this clip with Amber commanding cloud to ground lighitng and the very winds itself, maidens use natural materials for their attacks. Thus, it would make sense to assume Winter's ice shield was pure, natural ice.
What is it about ice that makes it so reflective?
Hi, So I've just been learning about albedo as part of my course and the question that strikes me is: What is it about the structure of ice, particularly at the surface, that causes so much more light to reflect than with water? The differences I can see are: * Ice is less dense than water and...
In this science forum, it was explained by an advisor that solid ice is actually less reflective then pure water. Thus, the fact that Ironwood's laser bounced right back at him with almost pinpoint accuracy is further evidence that what was fired was a powerful laser.
Another point in Ironwood's favor, and one that will appease those who are still hung up about Penny's lasers producing force, is the fact that Ironwood's gun never produces any kickback whenever he fires it.
Here is the first time that Ironwood fires his gun, at the 10:24 mark. As we can see, Ironwood's arms do not buckle or get pushed back from the firing off such a large and powerful weapon. This trend continues on in his fight against Winter. At 1:19 and 2:17, we see him visible shot off the beams with absolutely no recoil.
It should be stated that, in this clip above, at 23:46, Kdin Jenzen, someone who has worked on the main show and knows the writers very well, states that the laser was meant to kill a maiden Penny. Thus, it would be reasonable to assume that this cannon that Ironwood uses would be perhaps one of the most powerful weapons Atlas has ever produced and that, if it were firing off mass, it would give off massive recoil. However, as stated above, this is not the case.
While some may lay claim that, since Ironwood's lasers explode on contact, they cannot be true lasers.
Are lasers capable of producing explosions ,or is that just fictional filler?
Please read this carefully before answering,in fiction lasers are quite common and they seem to have the property to produce explosions.I am not asking if they exist,I am asking if with the right technology can laser beams produce explosions.Is this just some myth or is there some truth to...
However, this forum post on physicsforums.com, which has its community members verfied for their expertise, states that lasers can cause explosions if the area where they are fired are overheated.
With all these points made, it is clear to see that lightspeed weapons do exist in RWBY. While they are certianly not shown as tradional laser weapons, there is enough supporting evidence to prove that they still hold the properties of light speed lasers.
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