RWBY Vol 9 General Discussion Thread: Multiverse Of Therapy

[Cire]

"Low 7-B scaling

This stems from team RWBY and co. downscaling from the Maidens, the problem here is the fact that Maiden Cinder is clearly shown to be on a whole nother level from the team, especially when the end of Volume 8 has all of team RWBY being slapped around by Maiden Cinder with no effort whatsoever, and the fact Ironwood when facing off against Maiden Winter gets his strongest attack effortlessly reflected and he gets KO'd permanently, and to top it all off, the bomb Ironwood was gonna use to blow up all of Mantle, which was calced to between High 7-C to close to baseline 7-B canonically kills Vine, who's physically comparable to team RWBY at this point in time, on top of all of the hunters in Robyn's group is scaled to the same level while also being threatened by the bomb to escape as well, none of the members should remotely scale to the maidens, or even downscale as this ignores how much on a higher level the maidens are to begin with.

Overall the normal hunters/huntresses should go back to their High 8-C to 8-B scaling, alongside anyone else that's comparable to their level."

Found the reasoning. It was from the Glassman and made in March. I think I didn't have time to fully address these due to life issues. Let me see if I can create a more concrete defense and argument.

 

[Cire]

"Clearly shown at another level"
This is easily disproven. Winter was able to cut off Cinder's Grimm arm for one. While it had no aura, it was still strong enough to hold up in a giant magic sword clash against Raven. Weiss, in the director's commentary, was said to be able to hold herself in battle against Cinder in a "1v1." Weiss was also able to take a bloodlusted Cinder's magic attack at the end of V8. Cinder, Emerald, and Mercury were able to beat Amber, with Cinder explicitly knocking down and hurting Amber while she's in full maiden mode.

For Ironwood, that can easily be explained that he just had a fight with Winter. So of course he'd go down easily. Aura, like what Spinorr mentioned before, works like a health bar. So his was already down beforehand. Heck, Winter was able to block said beam with one of her glyphs. It blew up in her face, yes, but she did stop it. In fact, as revealed by Kdin Jensen, voice actor of May, states that it was made to kill a maiden robot as seen here:

This is supported in the show as well. Penny was instructed to come alone to Ironwood. And, when "Penny" (actually Emerald) arrived, Ironwood had the big ass cannon at the ready to use against her.

For the Vine feat, this is rather simple. ANYBODY would be freaking out over a giant nuke dropping on them. It's a very natural human reaction. And the fact that normal huntsmen, without aura, are able to harm and survive maiden attacks should display this notion that they are limited to this feat. Also, Vine used his semblance to successfully contain the bomb anyway. Using the health bar analogy again, he poured all of his HP into the bubble, leaving himself defenseless. Ruby and crew should honestly upscale from him anyway, since they beat him in a fight fair and square. Ruby even says that they are the best huntsmen in Atlas now instead of the Ace-Ops, a fact that she proves right by her team beating them. While the Ace-Ops did fight against a maiden Penny, it was clear that she wasn't going for the kill. Unlike Cinder, who is murder happy as all hell as would certainly try to kill an aura less Weiss.

 

[CurrySenpai]

"Clearly shown at another level"
This is easily disproven. Winter was able to cut off Cinder's Grimm arm for one. While it had no aura, it was still strong enough to hold up in a giant magic sword clash against Raven. Weiss, in the director's commentary, was said to be able to hold herself in battle against Cinder in a "1v1." Weiss was also able to take a bloodlusted Cinder's magic attack at the end of V8. Cinder, Emerald, and Mercury were able to beat Amber, with Cinder explicitly knocking down and hurting Amber while she's in full maiden mode.

For Ironwood, that can easily be explained that he just had a fight with Winter. So of course he'd go down easily. Aura, like what Spinorr mentioned before, works like a health bar. So his was already down beforehand. Heck, Winter was able to block said beam with one of her glyphs. It blew up in her face, yes, but she did stop it. In fact, as revealed by Kdin Jensen, voice actor of May, states that it was made to kill a maiden robot as seen here:

This is supported in the show as well. Penny was instructed to come alone to Ironwood. And, when "Penny" (actually Emerald) arrived, Ironwood had the big ass cannon at the ready to use against her.

For the Vine feat, this is rather simple. ANYBODY would be freaking out over a giant nuke dropping on them. It's a very natural human reaction. And the fact that normal huntsmen, without aura, are able to harm and survive maiden attacks should display this notion that they are limited to this feat. Also, Vine used his semblance to successfully contain the bomb anyway. Using the health bar analogy again, he poured all of his HP into the bubble, leaving himself defenseless. Ruby and crew should honestly upscale from him anyway, since they beat him in a fight fair and square. Ruby even says that they are the best huntsmen in Atlas now instead of the Ace-Ops, a fact that she proves right by her team beating them. While the Ace-Ops did fight against a maiden Penny, it was clear that she wasn't going for the kill. Unlike Cinder, who is murder happy as all hell as would certainly try to kill an aura less Weiss.

No offense, but dud you gotta make CRT at this point, it'll be easier to keep our thouhts in a new thread.

 

[Cire]

No offense, but dud you gotta make CRT at this point, it'll be easier to keep our thouhts in a new thread.

I know. I just went to vet my ideas in this thread as a form of perpetration. That way, I can go into the CRT as confident as possible. Like if anyone has any last minute objections and such I can address to strengthen my argument.

 

[CurrySenpai]

I know. I just went to vet my ideas in this thread as a form of perpetration. That way, I can go into the CRT as confident as possible. Like if anyone has any last minute objections and such I can address to strengthen my argument.

I get that, but sandboxes do exist, and if anything it'll be easier since it also gives evaluating staff an easier time looking at arguments and evidence.

 

[Cire]

I get that, but sandboxes do exist, and if anything it'll be easier since it also gives evaluating staff an easier time looking at arguments and evidence.

I never heard of one before. I'll try making it.

 

[CurrySenpai]

I never heard of one before. I'll try making it.

Should be in the top of the tab, essentially just let’s you put all the stuff in a thread before posting it.

Sandboxes exist for the wiki as well, so if you want to potentially remake pages and whatnot before CRTs this is the best way since you can just copy paste (ironically, I’m guilty of not using these)

 

[Cire]

It'll be a good place to prepare. How can I show this sandbox to others on the site like you said? Like the calc members and what not.

 

[CurrySenpai]

It'll be a good place to prepare. How can I show this sandbox to others on the site like you said? Like the calc members and what not.

Sandboxes can’t be shared (at least to my knowledge), so you’d have to screenshot and send stuff over discord.

The main reason I suggested it was so that you could put everything in one place and have it ready to go in an official CRT, rather than somewhat fragmented in a general thread.

 

[Dalesean027]

Sandboxes can’t be shared (at least to my knowledge), so you’d have to screenshot and send stuff over discord.

They can be shared, just send the link here

Like this

Dalesean027/sandbox

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[CurrySenpai]

They can be shared, just send the link here

Forum ones? I know wiki ones can, and Cire was primarily talking about a CRT

 

[Dalesean027]

Forum ones? I know wiki ones can, and Cire was primarily talking about a CRT

Ah then yeah not sure about that, but ya can still work it feom the wiki side too and format it for a crt

 

[Cire]

I'm working on it right now. Gonna post it soon on the CRT side of things.

 

[Cire]

RWBY 2024 CRT Part 1: Maiden Scaling

Hello all, Today, I will be attempting to bring back maiden downscaling. I feel as though it was a mistake and will work to rectify this. I will be using Glassman's arguments against maiden scaling as my major points. "Low 7-B scaling This stems from team RWBY and co. downscaling from the...

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I have made the thread.

 

[DastardlyDangerousDracoga]

the bomb Ironwood was gonna use to blow up all of Mantle, which was calced to between High 7-C to close to baseline 7-B canonically kills Vine

Not to stir the melting pot that is... what's happening here, but there are calculation blogs that have sprung up due to looking at things from a different perspective. Not to be a self plug, there's my blog, which racks up consistent values hovering around 7-B, and then there's... ahem Spinoirr's blog that edges its values into the hundreds of Megatons. Though the unfortunate thing is that both are largely neglected and hasn't been subjected to peer review and what not.

 

[Dalesean027]

Not to stir the melting pot that is... what's happening here, but there are calculation blogs that have sprung up due to looking at things from a different perspective. Not to be a self plug, there's my blog, which racks up consistent values hovering around 7-B, and then there's... ahem Spinoirr's blog that edges its values into the hundreds of Megatons. Though the unfortunate thing is that both are largely neglected and hasn't been subjected to peer review and what not.

Just make a calc thread, that's how you determine which is best.

It can't be neglected if you never made a thread to reach a decision for which the cgms think is best

 

[Spinoirr]

"Low 7-B scaling

This stems from team RWBY and co. downscaling from the Maidens, the problem here is the fact that Maiden Cinder is clearly shown to be on a whole nother level from the team, especially when the end of Volume 8 has all of team RWBY being slapped around by Maiden Cinder with no effort whatsoever, and the fact Ironwood when facing off against Maiden Winter gets his strongest attack effortlessly reflected and he gets KO'd permanently, and to top it all off, the bomb Ironwood was gonna use to blow up all of Mantle, which was calced to between High 7-C to close to baseline 7-B canonically kills Vine, who's physically comparable to team RWBY at this point in time, on top of all of the hunters in Robyn's group is scaled to the same level while also being threatened by the bomb to escape as well, none of the members should remotely scale to the maidens, or even downscale as this ignores how much on a higher level the maidens are to begin with.

Overall the normal hunters/huntresses should go back to their High 8-C to 8-B scaling, alongside anyone else that's comparable to their level."

Found the reasoning. It was from the Glassman and made in March. I think I didn't have time to fully address these due to life issues. Let me see if I can create a more concrete defense and argument.

BTW the bomb is now accepted to b 7-A

 

[Dalesean027]

Upgrades to Volume 1 cast

RWBY Ice Queendom - Ruby destroys clifftop

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Volume 1 by itself is close enough to baseline 8-B to be at 1.25x away from it and considering all of their growth and strength moving forward alongside some support from casual 8-B stuff from volume 4, its safe to say some upscaling to baseline 8-B in either volumes 2 or 3 should work

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Upgrades to Volume 1 cast

RWBY Ice Queendom - Ruby destroys clifftop

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Volume 1 by itself is close enough to baseline 8-B to be at 1.25x away from it and considering all of their growth and strength moving forward alongside some support from casual 8-B stuff from volume 4, its safe to say some upscaling to baseline 8-B in either volumes 2 or 3 should work

Slowly making our way upwards.

Libera Me From Tier 8 Hell.

 

[Spinoirr]

Upgrades to Volume 1 cast

RWBY Ice Queendom - Ruby destroys clifftop

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Volume 1 by itself is close enough to baseline 8-B to be at 1.25x away from it and considering all of their growth and strength moving forward alongside some support from casual 8-B stuff from volume 4, its safe to say some upscaling to baseline 8-B in either volumes 2 or 3 should work

I think by vol 3 they should have a separate key "Start of Beacon | Vytal Festival Tournament"

 

[Shadyboi0]

8-B beacon? Not what I was expecting, but hey I ain't complaining.

 

[Shadyboi0]

High 8-C hell? Might not exist anymore

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

What about Team RWBY surviving the collision from the trains in Volume 2? I know Weiss covered them in some ice to protect them but that's nowhere to be seen afterwards.

 

[CurrySenpai]

High 8-C hell? Might not exist anymore

 

[DimeUhDozen]

 

[CurrySenpai]

In reality, IDK why they're not 8-B, i remember there being an 8-B rating and it just disappeared off the face of the earth.

 

[Spinoirr]

In reality, IDK why they're not 8-B, i remember there being an 8-B rating and it just disappeared off the face of the earth.

Idk but at least it's back finally

 

[CurrySenpai]

Someone should probably figure out why it disappeared, curious as to why.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

What about Team RWBY surviving the collision from the trains in Volume 2? I know Weiss covered them in some ice to protect them but that's nowhere to be seen afterwards.

Wasn't there like a massive **** off sized crater where they woke up?

 

[TheRustyOne]

In reality, IDK why they're not 8-B, i remember there being an 8-B rating and it just disappeared off the face of the earth.

Because people are weird.

To this day I don't understand why using the Square Cube Law isn't allowed. It going against the laws of physics is hilarious because there is nothing about our calcs and giant characters that obey the laws of physics. Who cares if they couldn't fly at that size? It's fiction it's going to do whatever it wants.

By the same logic Mount Lady cannot move at 20 meters tall, yet we don't ignore the Square Cube Law for them.

This is literally one of my biggest complains about this wiki. But I'm not going through the headache of getting this changed.

IDK if this is what you meant, but this brought back bad memories.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Because people are weird.

To this day I don't understand why using the Square Cube Law isn't allowed. It going against the laws of physics is hilarious because there is nothing about our calcs and giant characters that obey the laws of physics. Who cares if they couldn't fly at that size? It's fiction it's going to do whatever it wants.

By the same logic Mount Lady cannot move at 20 meters tall, yet we don't ignore the Square Cube Law for them.

This is literally one of my biggest complains about this wiki. But I'm not going through the headache of getting this changed.

IDK if this is what you meant, but this brought back bad memories.

That thread is damn near four years old, surely someone can take a shot at it.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Question, would we consider Weiss's Arma Gigas's durability comparable to it's AP?

 

[Spinoirr]

Because people are weird.

To this day I don't understand why using the Square Cube Law isn't allowed. It going against the laws of physics is hilarious because there is nothing about our calcs and giant characters that obey the laws of physics. Who cares if they couldn't fly at that size? It's fiction it's going to do whatever it wants.

By the same logic Mount Lady cannot move at 20 meters tall, yet we don't ignore the Square Cube Law for them.

This is literally one of my biggest complains about this wiki. But I'm not going through the headache of getting this changed.

IDK if this is what you meant, but this brought back bad memories.

That was four years ago, maybe recalculate that feat and this one

https://www.deviantart.com/kirito352/art/Ruby-pushes-a-Nevermore-RWBY-887051712

 

[Spinoirr]

Question, would we consider Weiss's Arma Gigas's durability comparable to it's AP?

yeah, it's sword swings can hit the ground without breaking

 

[DimeUhDozen]

yeah, it's sword swings can hit the ground without breaking

Okay, so in Volume 9, the gang is capable of harming and taking hits from Neo's Jabberwockys, which can destroy her Arma Gigas.

 

[Cire]

Okay, so in Volume 9, the gang is capable of harming and taking hits from Neo's Jabberwockys, which can destroy her Arma Gigas.

What does this lead to?

 

[Cire]

That was four years ago, maybe recalculate that feat and this one

https://www.deviantart.com/kirito352/art/Ruby-pushes-a-Nevermore-RWBY-887051712

Also, can you link the new bomb calc?

 

[Spinoirr]

Also, can you link the new bomb calc?

RWBY: Atlas Bomb Redo

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[DimeUhDozen]

What does this lead to?

Currently, Weiss’s summons scale separately from herself, which are able to kill the Queen Lancer, whose durability is 8-A. But as of Volume 9, that seems to have changed. Which means 8-A is back on the menu, girls.

 

[Dalesean027]

RWBY: Ruby kicks a Griffon (Recalc)

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cough cough... Another one...