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Okay, I'll do as you advised me, I'll come straight to you when someone does this.
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I'm fine with that, as well.
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I suppose I'll clarify that even though I oppose the ban on principle for my previously stated reasons, I am also not strongly opposed to it practically since a few days is incredibly short.
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To add context, this was very sporadic and in the same playful sarcastic tone that's usually okay around there, no disrespect towards anyone. This makes me look like I'm on demon time 24/7 when I'm usually chill and only sometimes drop the mildest salt ever in sprinkles of sarcasm. It's such a nothing burger I'm honestly shocked he'd report me over it.
Not to mention he misgendered me at least twice in that convo, and if my memory doesn't fail me it isn't the first time, so.
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He did it again, wtf.
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Topaz: Strongly disagree with action being taken. Obviously, maybe, but it bears mentioning.
Life of King: Also disagree with action being taken. I agree with FinePoint in that practically all of these can be cast in a comedic light. If it were actually malicious, the tone behind them would not be as it is- "No **** you" was clearly meant in this light, and I think that's the worst of the posts.
Life of King: Also disagree with action being taken. I agree with FinePoint in that practically all of these can be cast in a comedic light. If it were actually malicious, the tone behind them would not be as it is- "No **** you" was clearly meant in this light, and I think that's the worst of the posts.
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Even after I tell the dude I'm not a guy, he keeps misgendering me, he even did it here. Could I report him for that instead?
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@LuffyRuffy46307 If someone has their pronouns on their profile, do try to bear them in mind, please.
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Well, I personally think that simply being prejudiced on a personal level without actually targetting anybody or propagating prejudice to others should not be sufficient grounds for banning the prejudiced person in question, unless it is outright bigotry and/or supremacism, such as wishing harm, oppression, or similar on other groups, but other staff members likely disagree.
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They weren't jokes about the downgrade, they were insults towards the thread's creator. A person who was new to the site. And you continued after they asked you to stop, and after other users and staff members asked you to stop.
You seem to be misunderstanding. That "**** you" comment was something LOK was warned for 6 months ago. I'm talking about a ban for newer comments, considering he's repeatedly joked with personal insults towards people he doesn't know in the past, been warned, and is still engaging in the same behaviour.
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I find these incidents too minor to really be violations. The things you call "aggressive" weren't so to any people in particular. Just towards arguments, or media properties. Closest thing to a personal thing is "Do the math Einstein" which is way too soft for me to care about.Reiner04's Question
Given the general staff consensus on the recent ban of Shmooply, it seems like expressing those views off-site is enough, even without it being linked to a wish of harm.Other Reports
Some other reports have, I think, received too little attention to be finalized; I'm going to try looking back to track down staff member's views on them, apply them if they're conclusive, and provide relevant info for more input in an ensuing post if necessary.
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I stopped tho. I only commented again when the OP responded me just after I said that I was dropping the thread
Beside, its not like my comments are that bad in comparasion to anothers. Theres no reason to take my comments that deep when nothing there is half as bad as the way you're making it sound
EDIT: Removed a irrelevant part. Plus, this is my last comment about the subject
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You returned when the OP tried arguing against you, with simply another insult towards them.
I don't remember others in the thread directly insulting the OP. At most, they mocked the arguments. So I would say that your comments are bad in comparison.
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This is not towards Agnaa but to that "consensus" not about the shoomply case but the one that is implied to be happening.
It's literally bullshit. And this is clearly what I said would happen.
As anything that is being discussed among a private group if exposed will directly affect the on-site user. Obviously I don't see a problem with punishing extremely extreme cases that involve direct harassment or dox in some way. But any shit-talk between friends without a direct feeling to any user will be punished? There would literally be no freedom of speech as some call it and this will simply be just a place where anyone will be punished for anything.
I know many who talk any number of antics/nonsense but among friends without affecting anyone specific, if this is a thing now then leaving this place would be the best option as no one would feel safe to be every day watching what they say for fear that someone will SS en and report them just because yes.
This is not a prison where even others have to watch their behavior off-site so as not to anger anyone who gets angry.
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Mehmetnegsss
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- Instructions: 1 (Dereck03)
- Instructions, or light warning at worst: 2 (DarkDragonMedeus, Agnaa)
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I am fine with now considering this matter handled.
Luci5678
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- Initial report
- Arguments surrounding it (CGM rejections don't count, this still violates CRT rules, CGM rejections count when calcs are involved, this thread doesn't involve calcs, actually it does)
- Luci's response, second response, third response
- DarkDragonMedeus' interpretation
- Additional evidence by CloverDragon03
- Propellus' interpretation
- Agnaa's interpretation
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- Stricter warning: 1 (GarrixianXD)
- Strict warning or short ban of a few days: 2 (Agnaa, DarkDragonMedeus)
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I am fine with now considering this matter handled.
LIFE_OF_KING
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- Warn: 2 (FinePoint, Mr._Bambu)
- Short ban of a few days: 5 (Agnaa, Deagonx, DarkDragonMedeus, Dereck03, GarrixianXD)
- Not strongly opposed to a ban of a few days: 1 (FinePoint)
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I am fine with now considering this matter handled.
Deidalius
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- Initial report
- Defense provided by Arceus0x, followup
- LordGriffin1000's interpretation
- Deidalius' response
- Damage3245's interpretation
- UchihaSlayer96's interpretation
- DarkGrath's interpretation
- Dereck03's interpretation
- GarrixianXD's interpretation
- Agnaa's interpretation, followup
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- No action: 7 (LordGriffin1000, Damage3245, UchihaSlayer96, DarkGrath, Dereck03, DarkDragonMedeus, GarrixianXD) (Users in bold have reaffirmed this after I asked for re-evaluation)
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@LordGriffin1000 @Damage3245 @UchihaSlayer96 @DarkGrath @DarkDragonMedeus @GarrixianXD
Has your opinion on this matter changed with the implementation of the new rules for off-site standards?
If no, could you elaborate on why? (i.e. Do you not think Deidalius' comments are serious, do you not think being attracted to fictional depictions of children extends to attraction to real children, do you not think that being attracted to real children is a danger to site users, do you not want to apply that rule retroactively despite that being done to Shmooply, some combination of the above?)
I think this is important precedent to set, and I don't want it to just slip under the radar due to people forgetting.
I am fine with now considering this matter handled.
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- Initial report
- KingTempest's interpretation
- Arguments surrounding it (This insult should be considered a rule violation, this one shouldn't, the comment says other stuff too)
- Comment from Deidalius, the target of Fujiwara's comment
- LordGriffin1000's interpretation
- UchihaSlayer96's interpretation
- Mr._Bambu's interpretation
- Agnaa's interpretation
Staff Views
- No action: 4 (KingTempest, Mr._Bambu, LordGriffin1000, DarkGrath)
- Fujiwara and Deidalius need to stay away from each other: 2 (LordGriffin1000, UchihaSlayer96)
- Warning: 1 (UchihaSlayer96)
- Not inherently opposed to a short ban: 2 (UchihaSlayer96, LordGriffin1000)
- Warning or short ban: 1 (Dereck03)
- Ban: 4 (Damage3245, Agnaa, DarkDragonMedeus, Dereck03)
Staff Actions
- None found
TheGunsFinalWrath
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- Initial report
- TheGunsFinalWrath's response, followup, followup, followup, followup
- Dereck03's interpretation, followup, followup
- Comment from Udlmaster, the target of TheGunsFinalWrath's comment, followup
- Comment from Dr._whiteee, a person quite involved in the original thread, followup, followup
- KingTempest's interpretation
- Agnaa's interpretation
Staff Views
- No action: 3 (Dereck03, Deagonx, DarkGrath)
- Wouldn't oppose a light warning: 1 (DarkGrath)
- Warning: 2 (Agnaa, DarkDragonMedeus)
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- None found
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I just got back from work, so I might need time to look it over.
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So far, no.
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I still have the same stance here.
I suppose I have the same take as Agnaa here
In the same boat as Agnaa and Deagonx
No action needed, aside from perhaps a reminder that Deidalius should try to avoid Fujiwura whenever possible.
I think a short ban might be warranted given she has had multiple warnings
Light warning at worst by the looks of it.
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I may as well give some input on this.
I think this in itself would have been handled if proper instructions had been given to the user of how things work here, a few instructions plus a small reminder is enough.
Honestly I see a strict enough warning but seeing the reasoning behind the user's actions I can deduce that a small punishment as suggested by Agnaa might work to make him rethink his actions.
Same as agnaa.
No action.
I feel that I change my instance to a short ban due to the history that the user possesses.
Still the same.
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On the second thought, I see Life of King being rather toxic many times and have several reports and warnings. I’m supporting a short ban of a few days, at least, if not a month for them.
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Alright, I've edited those takes in, instructed Mehmetnegsss, and warned Luci5678.
With how much things have swung in the LOK case now, I'm going to apply a 3 day ban (EDIT: I've done so).
That only really leaves the Fujiwara and Guns stuff with an unclear direction.
With how much things have swung in the LOK case now, I'm going to apply a 3 day ban (EDIT: I've done so).
That only really leaves the Fujiwara and Guns stuff with an unclear direction.
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My opinion on this matter has not substantially changed.
To be as clear on 'why' as possible - it was an explicit point when revising the off-site standards that merely having taboo fetishes is not a rule violation if it is not brought on-site. What would be a rule violation is substantial reason to believe that they have committed (or intend to commit) sexual harms to others. This was what was agreed upon, and it hasn't changed. The concern here seems to be whether comments along the lines of finding these characters attractive is a sign of legitimate intent to commit pedophilic acts - if it was, that would certainly be report worthy. But I don't believe that's the case. That's not a matter of setting a precedent as much as it is acknowledging that, even if taken as serious, and in spite of their obscene content, the screenshots provided didn't provide good reason to believe he was a pedophile or intended to commit pedophilia.
I believe I spoke on this at some point as well. I don't think any action is necessary.
I don't believe action here is necessary, but I wouldn't oppose a light warning.
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What was agreed upon has changed, given how the Shmooply case was handled. In the exact same paragraph where you made that point you also said it was meant to ban people who threatened violence, or partook in hate groups, and that it wouldn't apply to "critics of groups of people with no harmful intentions towards them". But if you don't want to change it further, it seems like you've got the numbers on your side for that. Guess I'll drop it, and consider that aspect resolved.
I've updated that post to incorporate your views.
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I would rather not draw this into the discussion on Shmooply's report, but since it seems to be a point of confusion, I will clarify something.
I don't think a transphobic bigot is merely a 'critic of a group of people with no harmful intentions towards them'. To analogise this phrasing, consider the difference between someone who criticises Christians on the basis of not believing that God is real, and someone who criticises Christians on the basis of believing they deserve less rights than atheists because of their religiosity. The former is a 'critic of a group of people with no harmful intentions towards them', the latter is not.
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A user seems to have posted a fun and games thread about a series that incorporates principles from Nazi Germany.
i.e., a reference to
, the statement
, and very clear symbolism.
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For clarity, It was not posted in a demeaning way. Given the recent turmoil with race/gender/ideology stuff, I do not know what (if anything) should be done here, but I think the scans should be deleted at least.
i.e., a reference to
Hi*ler
Sieg He*l
Malaysia comic book really something. Adolf?
Trust me, who want waifu version of Adolf? Here we have it on Malaysia comic Don't blame me, I just share what my country comic had offer and I found it amusing TBH.
For clarity, It was not posted in a demeaning way. Given the recent turmoil with race/gender/ideology stuff, I do not know what (if anything) should be done here, but I think the scans should be deleted at least.
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I think that Dereck03 makes very legitimate points.
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@Udlmaster Please refrain of making unnecessary comments like that even more when you are not involved in any kind of report or you are not reporting anyone.
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We got these types of profiles on the wiki ironically.A user seems to have posted a fun and games thread about a series that incorporates principles from Nazi Germany.
i.e., a reference to
, the statementHi*ler
, and very clear symbolism.Sieg He*l
Malaysia comic book really something. Adolf?
Trust me, who want waifu version of Adolf? Here we have it on Malaysia comic Don't blame me, I just share what my country comic had offer and I found it amusing TBH.
For clarity, It was not posted in a demeaning way. Given the recent turmoil with race/gender/ideology stuff, I do not know what (if anything) should be done here, but I think the scans should be deleted at least.
Adolf Hitler
Adolf Hitler may refer to: The character from Kung Fury The character from Megami Tensei The character from Petals of Reincarnation
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So judging by precedence, I doubt action needs to be taken, especially that right there is far from worst of the content that’s on this wiki.
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Of those 3 pages, first two seem to be mentions of Hitl*r (which we do seem to permit I suppose) but I wasn’t aware that we permitted pages with Nazi Swastikas scattered all across the cover image.
Like this one:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_(Petals_of_Reincarnation)
Just a few days ago, an Administrator made the following comment about a scan that had name.
Moreover, seems weird that this is permitted, but something like sexually explicit scans are not permitted (as per the NOTES in this page).
Regardless, I’m indifferent either way. I only wish to make sure that we’re equally “harsh” on all types of threads, editing, pages etc.
If it actually wasn’t worth deleting, then I’ll accept the lapse in judgment on my part. Apologies.
Of those 3 pages, first two seem to be mentions of Hitl*r (which we do seem to permit I suppose) but I wasn’t aware that we permitted pages with Nazi Swastikas scattered all across the cover image.
Like this one:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_(Petals_of_Reincarnation)
Just a few days ago, an Administrator made the following comment about a scan that had name.
Moreover, seems weird that this is permitted, but something like sexually explicit scans are not permitted (as per the NOTES in this page).
Regardless, I’m indifferent either way. I only wish to make sure that we’re equally “harsh” on all types of threads, editing, pages etc.
If it actually wasn’t worth deleting, then I’ll accept the lapse in judgment on my part. Apologies.
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Sexually explicit scans aren't allowed since they will get us in trouble with Fandom.
I agree with Garrixian.
The reason I don't like such a name being used in a random scan is because it's wholly unnecessary. It's an addition gesturing towards bigotry. Rather than us sincerely representing what a series has.
I agree with Garrixian.
The reason I don't like such a name being used in a random scan is because it's wholly unnecessary. It's an addition gesturing towards bigotry. Rather than us sincerely representing what a series has.
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Are you saying this because it will get us in trouble with Fandom or just personal beliefs?
I think others wikis have nazi images on their gallery, don’t they?
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Yeah, other wikis do so it doesn't seem to be a violation of fandom guidelines, thus that Hitler profile of Reincarnation of Profiles has been intact for years.
I suppose that'll be optimal, but unfortunately, we don't have guidelines to restrict it.
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Seems like it. Took a shot in the dark with the Wolfenstein wiki, they have at least some swastikas (and other Nazi imagery, of course), as well as (perhaps obviously) pages for Hitler in a serious or goofy context.
I don't think it's a terrible idea to choose images without Nazi imagery where available but that's unlikely to be found within canon sources given the nature of the content revolving around depicting nazi imagery, it seems. We should still be fine.
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For the record, unless I'm mistaken:
www.fandom.com
Though given Bambu's post I doubt fandom is really enforcing this stuff Ig.
Anyway, I also think we should try to avoid adding these sorta things to pages if possible. Not that I care much, but it seems a bit wrong to open a page and just be hit with that sorta content.
Maybe a better alternative would be to just include a warning template on the page ?
Terms of Use | Fandom
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Though given Bambu's post I doubt fandom is really enforcing this stuff Ig.
Anyway, I also think we should try to avoid adding these sorta things to pages if possible. Not that I care much, but it seems a bit wrong to open a page and just be hit with that sorta content.
Maybe a better alternative would be to just include a warning template on the page ?
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That sounds like a good solution, yeah.
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Deleted it. Not fully sure what to do next.
@AppleLord hasn't been warned before, so maybe just a warning?
@AppleLord hasn't been warned before, so maybe just a warning?
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A warning seems fine by me
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