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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Catzlaflame said:
Sorry for the back to back comments.

To add on to the report that @Deceived3596 made just a bit earlier today against @Joshyyy_64

it appears as though the user used a racial slur on site (in their signature)

See here.

I believe the standard for this is a 1 year ban.
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Can I point out 2 things in my defence cause a year ban is a lil crazy for a mistake on my part.

1. I'm Nigerian but I doubt that matters - wanted to point mention it anyway

2. I was completely and utterly unaware of the rule to do with racial slurs.

Anyone offended by the n-word, my bad fr. 🙌
 
Joshyyy_64 said:
Can I point out 2 things in my defence cause a year ban is a lil crazy for a mistake on my part.

1. I'm Nigerian but I doubt that matters - wanted to point mention it anyway

2. I was completely and utterly unaware of the rule to do with racial slurs.

Anyone offended by the n-word, my bad fr. 🙌
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I have some doubts about the first one even being a good defense. First of all, the N word has very little to do with Nigeria; it was derived from a different word and I have never heard of anyone actually confirming that to be a normalized term in Nigeria. (And I have actually heard it's actually just a common misconception that some people use as a tactic to hide there otherwise trollist intentions). YuriAkuto tried to say something similar when he said a pseudo N word. Most people would have said they were African American, rather than Nigerian.

Also, not only was that word used, it was also mocking books of the Bible. Based on first few sentences, it sounds like it was quoting Genesis 2:2. Which is another thing prone to red flags; the second point can on rare occasions be an understandable defense for users who are new, but I still find first point combined with what I saw to be weak.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I have some doubts about the first one even being a good defense. First of all, the N word has very little to do with Nigeria; it was derived from a different word and I have never heard of anyone actually confirming that to be a normalized term in Nigeria. (And I have actually heard it's actually just a common misconception that some people use as a tactic to hide there otherwise trollist intentions). YuriAkuto tried to say something similar when he said a pseudo N word. Most people would have said they were African American, rather than Nigerian.

Also, not only was that word used, it was also mocking books of the Bible. Based on first few sentences, it sounds like it was quoting Genesis 2:2. Which is another thing prone to red flags; the second point can on rare occasions be an understandable defense for users who are new, but I still find first point combined with what I saw to be weak.
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Fair enough 🤷‍♂️
 
Antvasima said:
I can unfortunately not confirm that you are Nigerian, as your IP addresses are from all over this planet.
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Probably means he has said blood from there, not that he resides in the country. As do I.

Although that's not a valid excuse. @Joshyyy_64 our rules regarding slurs are extremely intense, even just using them mixed with other words (like you did [I know where they're from so I can vouch for your intentions]) is fine. Doesn't matter the user, using them onsite is a problem

DarkDragonMedeus said:
I have some doubts about the first one even being a good defense. First of all, the N word has very little to do with Nigeria; it was derived from a different word and I have never heard of anyone actually confirming that to be a normalized term in Nigeria. (And I have actually heard it's actually just a common misconception that some people use as a tactic to hide there otherwise trollist intentions). YuriAkuto tried to say something similar when he said a pseudo N word. Most people would have said they were African American, rather than Nigerian.
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He's primarily saying "I'm black", not that "it's a term from my home country", as he's ignorant of what allows you to use it onsite (which is nothing), which I drew from his response since he didn't know that it was bad to use on the site in any context.

DarkDragonMedeus said:
Also, not only was that word used, it was also mocking books of the Bible. Based on first few sentences, it sounds like it was quoting Genesis 2:2. Which is another thing prone to red flags; the second point can on rare occasions be an understandable defense for users who are new, but I still find first point combined with what I saw to be weak.
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Not that deep. I don't think he intended to mock Genesis, he probably tried to just make a quote that sounded cool (which was definitely stupid and ignorant, unintentional, but ignorant), which is why he didn't even quote the right chapter.

He was probably just trying to make his own verse in this and use it as a signature. I don't think it's wise to now add on "he's trying to defend saying the N word on-site cause he's Nigerian AND he's mocking the bible".

I do understand the rules and our standards, I guess this is something we could add to the censor list and the word blocker, possibly the use of any disallowed word tied to any other word. Although I'm not a fan of the quick insta-ban out of ignorance
 
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excuse me commenting here but it’s a joke instagram account that’s says ignorant stuff intended to be funny. Ion think he meant it as a slur.
 
hi, I wanted to know if I could kindly have permission to express my points regarding this thread. I have knowledge about the verse, I think it can help staff members and other people for a more accurate and fair evaluation. If the risk of "prolonged discussion" could be a problem , I will explain what I think in a single message. Tell me if I can act what my "permissions" are. Thanks for the attention.
 
KingTempest said:
Probably means he has said blood from there, not that he resides in the country. As do I.

Although that's not a valid excuse. @Joshyyy_64 our rules regarding slurs are extremely intense, even just using them mixed with other words (like you did [I know where they're from so I can vouch for your intentions]) is fine. Doesn't matter the user, using them onsite is a problem


He's primarily saying "I'm black", not that "it's a term from my home country", as he's ignorant of what allows you to use it onsite (which is nothing), which I drew from his response since he didn't know that it was bad to use on the site in any context.


Not that deep. I don't think he intended to mock Genesis, he probably tried to just make a quote that sounded cool (which was definitely stupid and ignorant, unintentional, but ignorant), which is why he didn't even quote the right chapter.

He was probably just trying to make his own verse in this and use it as a signature. I don't think it's wise to now add on "he's trying to defend saying the N word on-site cause he's Nigerian AND he's mocking the bible".

I do understand the rules and our standards, I guess this is something we could add to the censor list and the word blocker, possibly the use of any disallowed word tied to any other word. Although I'm not a fan of the quick insta-ban out of ignorance
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Yeah, wasn't advocating for a ban; though the "Nigerian" confirmation makes sense then as it's African. I was just a bit skeptical until the specific clarifications. But either way, he's fine as long as he doesn't continue.
 
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Syncornize said:
hi, I wanted to know if I could kindly have permission to express my points regarding this thread. I have knowledge about the verse, I think it can help staff members and other people for a more accurate and fair evaluation. If the risk of "prolonged discussion" could be a problem , I will explain what I think in a single message. Tell me if I can act what my "permissions" are. Thanks for the attention.
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@DMUA @Dalesean027 @Deagonx

What do you think?
 
Regarding @Joshyyy_64, I think it's important for us to take a very strong stance against racial slurs in any context, but also for us to maintain reason.

In the current age and climate, it is almost universally known and understood that racial slurs are never acceptable on any public platform, and will often lead to a ban. I think we can only accept ignorance as a defense to an extent, otherwise we open ourselves to people testing the limits under plausible deniability.

That said, it doesn't seem like it was used in any way which was intended to cause any harm or offense, and while they probably should've known, or at least checked first, I do believe they were probably ignorant in this case.

I would propose a very short ban, like 24 hours, as a slap on the wrist in addition to the warning never to do it again.
While it's a small difference in the grand scheme of things, I feel like it would more properly convey the message that we have zero tolerance for racial slurs in any context, and that we will definitely act on that sort of thing, as opposed to giving people the impression that they can get away with anything with no consequence if they simply plead ignorance.

As for them being black, I honestly don't think we should even consider that. It is a leap from enforcing site policies to investigating people's personal lives. We realistically have no way to know their race for certain, even if they live in Africa. I think it's far more important to simply consider the context and intent.
 
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Antvasima said:
A 1 day block seems too limited for even a slap on the wrist, if we want all of our members to avoid doing this kind of thing in the future.

Would a 2 weeks block be more appropriate?

@DarkGrath @Mr._Bambu @Abstractions

What do you think?
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I would be content with 2 weeks.

I could believe they were legitimately ignorant of the rules - after all, online spaces are highly varied with their attitudes on the use of offensive language - and I've made it clear before that I don't like punishing misconduct when there's reason to believe the user has already learned their lesson. Whether for a day or for a year, banning someone who won't cause any further troubles is difficult to justify.

However, as FinePoint put it, conveying the broader message that pleading ignorance is not a catch-all for these kinds of offenses (and that we are entitled to take action even under such a possibility) is important. And I don't believe a day long ban is sufficient to make this message clear. It suggests that such offenses can be met with a punishment that you could effectively sleep through, which is hardly a deterrent. I support the 2 week suggestion.
 
DarkGrath said:
I would be content with 2 weeks.

I could believe they were legitimately ignorant of the rules - after all, online spaces are highly varied with their attitudes on the use of offensive language - and I've made it clear before that I don't like punishing misconduct when there's reason to believe the user has already learned their lesson. Whether for a day or for a year, banning someone who won't cause any further troubles is difficult to justify.

However, as FinePoint put it, conveying the broader message that pleading ignorance is not a catch-all for these kinds of offenses (and that we are entitled to take action even under such a possibility) is important. And I don't believe a day long ban is sufficient to make this message clear. It suggests that such offenses can be met with a punishment that you could effectively sleep through, which is hardly a deterrent. I support the 2 week suggestion.
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Thank you for your evaluation. 🙏🙂

Is that solution acceptable for the rest of you as well?
 
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What is the context for it?
 
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