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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

DMUA said:
You're misunderstanding the issue. The problem is that whoever you send the calcs to, there is a consistent string of flaws that you've had pointed out to you, and yet you continue to make them despite instructions to the contrary. If I wanted to just not bother with low quality calculations, I'd retire.

(Speaking of, I believe the verdict is something along the lines of a month long ban against speed calculations specifically, from our staff? The conversation kind of got dropped after some other business came up, so I'm not entirely sure if that's what we're moving for)
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I don't think I'm doing low quality calculations
 
Viott said:
I don't think I'm doing low quality calculations
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Well, unfortunately, the people we appoint to determine whether or not calculations are high quality have widely disagreed, which is an issue.

No one is an ultimate arbiter of truth, but whatever the case may be, your approach to calculation is consistently at odds with our standards and the judgment of our CGMs, which is ultimately both a waste of their time and your time, which is why it's likely prudent to ask you not to submit calcs, at least for some amount of time.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
If they're socks of the same person, I'd advocate both to be permabanned.
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Well, they did not create the sockpuppets in order to avoid a ban, and I would not go so far to say that Jordan has actually genuinely harrassed Dereck03 here. Also, I do not think that they have a history of bad behaviour here.

How about permanently banning one of their two current accounts and banning the other for 3 to 6 months? I do not like being overly harsh and strict towards our members.
 
Deagonx said:
Well, unfortunately, the people we appoint to determine whether or not calculations are high quality have widely disagreed, which is an issue.

No one is an ultimate arbiter of truth, but whatever the case may be, your approach to calculation is consistently at odds with our standards and the judgment of our CGMs, which is ultimately both a waste of their time and your time, which is why it's likely prudent to ask you not to submit calcs, at least for some amount of time.
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Well, a permanent calc blog ban seems overly harsh. Maybe Viott can simply take some time off to improve on their skills and get their possible biases in order?
 
Antvasima said:
Well, they did not create the sockpuppets in order to avoid a ban, and I would not go so far to say that Jordan has actually harrassed Dereck03 here. Also, I do not think that they have a history of bad behaviour here.

How about permanently banning one of their two current accounts and banning the other for 3 to 6 months? I do not like being overly harsh and strict towards our members.
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That post was made before there was clairifications in staff DMs.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, a permanent calc blog ban seems overly harsh. Maybe Viott can simply take some time off to improve on their skills and get their possible biases in order?
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Deagonx said:
Well, unfortunately, the people we appoint to determine whether or not calculations are high quality have widely disagreed, which is an issue.

No one is an ultimate arbiter of truth, but whatever the case may be, your approach to calculation is consistently at odds with our standards and the judgment of our CGMs, which is ultimately both a waste of their time and your time, which is why it's likely prudent to ask you not to submit calcs, at least for some amount of time.
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Ok
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
That post was made before there was clairifications in staff DMs.
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We arent socks
We both called @AKM sama
Although yes we share fandom account because of profiles
We however do not share this account
Its okay to be perma banned if you think so because even akm Sama wont come here and vouch for us anyways
Nanase is mizuki67
Nah id win is Jordan
All of this issue of being sockpopets have been cleared ages ago if you remember Ant @shinthemage quit wiki and gave the account to me
I am the one who called dereck a pedophile if that's what everyone wants to hear, it wasn't Jordan however we have no single evil intent in saying that even tho we had issues with him, the person who even gave screenshot to dereck is the person in wrong and am not trying to justify myself but we should all know information regardless of the kind of person shouldn't be taking with serious value
After i did call him a "pedo" i said and did nothing else against it
I lied that it was completely someone not in the wiki in other to protect this account from being banned since the original owner is shit the mage
Jordan however didnt do any of the claimed incidents like harassing and causing diverty
we all thought @Mr._Bambu warning would be it but now incidents that happened 2 years ago outside wiki was used as justification to ban someone
That was honestly not the right step to take into doing this and am sorry i lied.
Am the one
If you want to ban anyone you can do it to me not my friend he is innocent

Antvasima said:
Okay. I will check. 🙏
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LordGinSama said:
Send that to the HR, you just placed that server at risk of being invaded.


If you have a discord server, never place the link to the wiki for all of us to join. Unless you want drama from users screening shit without context, trust me I was banned for the longest time for similar reasons.
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Am sorry i did that and realized
Taking screenshot off context is what even caused all of this
When i did call dereck a pedo i didn't move around discord or YouTube shaming him or saying horrible stuff around him
And thank you very much for protection the privacy of others and myself
 
Mizuki67 said:
We arent socks
We both called @AKM sama
Although yes we share fandom account because of profiles
We however do not share this account
Its okay to be perma banned if you think so because even akm Sama wont come here and vouch for us anyways
Nanase is mizuki67
Nah id win is Jordan
All of this issue of being sockpopets have been cleared ages ago if you remember Ant @shinthemage quit wiki and gave the account to me
I am the one who called dereck a pedophile if that's what everyone wants to hear, it wasn't Jordan however we have no single evil intent in saying that even tho we had issues with him, the person who even gave screenshot to dereck is the person in wrong and am not trying to justify myself but we should all know information regardless of the kind of person shouldn't be taking with serious value
After i did call him a "pedo" i said and did nothing else against it
I lied that it was completely someone not in the wiki in other to protect this account from being banned since the original owner is shit the mage
Jordan however didnt do any of the claimed incidents like harassing and causing diverty
we all thought @Mr._Bambu warning would be it but now incidents that happened 2 years ago outside wiki was used as justification to ban someone
That was honestly not the right step to take into doing this and am sorry i lied.
Am the one
If you want to ban anyone you can do it to me not my friend he is innocent



Am sorry i did that and realized
Taking screenshot off context is what even caused all of this
When i did call dereck a pedo i didn't move around discord or YouTube shaming him or saying horrible stuff around him
And thank you very much for protection the privacy of others and myself
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I have clarified, I think you're fine now; the Mizuki account won't be banned.
 
If Jordan wasn't the one who said that, I think that the 1 year block was far too harsh.

Can somebody link to his Fandom account please?
 
Thank you. I have unblocked Jordan's VSBW forum and Fandom accounts, and renamed his forum account to Jozaysmith? in order to make its username identical to the one he has in Fandom.

So for how long should we ban Jozay and Mizuki respectively? I would appreciate staff input here. 🙏
 
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I haven't changed my stance. I'm still in favor of a 1 year ban and the account sharing stuff only reinforces my position if anything.
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Sorry to ask but is sharing fandom account against the rules?
And i rarely use it, i just create profiles for the verse i support and i have done that only 3 times
Other than that i and mizuki haven't shared one single account i remember clearing this with ant
 
Jozaysmith? said:
Sorry to ask but is sharing fandom account against the rules
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Not against rule, it's only against rules in case you're doin it to bypass ban but obviously, sharing account is not recommended and shouldn't be done since it expose the risk of account being hacked or smth (even if it's your friend, we still recommend to keep your account to yourself) and creating new accounts while previous one exist is not recommended as well, you'll have to ask for ban of previous account in case creating new one or have to let the staff know that you did so.
 
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Reiner said:
Not against rule, it's only against rules in case you're doin it to bypass ban but obviously, sharing account is not recommended and shouldn't be done since it expose the risk of account being hacked or smth (even if it's your friend, we still recommend to keep your account to yourself) and creating new accounts while previous one exist is not recommended as well, you'll have to ask for ban of previous account in case creating new one or have to let the staff know that you did so.
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Will do as from now on if the matter of sharing fandom account is overlooked
And yes i infact do not use others private accounts if they are in use of them
And am not bypassing ban, pretty much accepted my fate but wanted to clear the issues on name calling people
 
Sharing accounts is extremely heavily disencouraged due to that it makes it extremely hard to prove that you are different people to our staff, who will otherwise have to ban all of them except for one, and it wastes considerable amount of staff time and creates confusion as a result, as we cannot be expected to remember all instances of it, but our system keeps giving us sockpuppet warnings.

So yes, an official message to all of our members: Never EVER share your accounts with other current or potential future members for the above-mentioned reasons. Thank you.

And giving your account to banned members to take over is obviously not allowed.
 
Antvasima said:
Sharing accounts is extremely heavily disencouraged due to that it makes it extremely hard to prove that you are different people to our staff, who will otherwise have to ban all of them except for one, and it wastes considerable amount of staff time and creates confusion as a result, as we cannot be expected to remember all instances of it, but our system keeps giving us sockpuppet warnings.

So yes, an official message to all of our members: Never EVER share your accounts with other current or potential future members for the above-mentioned reasons. Thank you.
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Yes, Noted.
Will Not and can not use other people account on vsbw and even on fandom ever again
If there are problems with edit then i will consult a staff, thank you very much for clarification
 
Antvasima said:
Sharing accounts is extremely heavily disencouraged due to that it makes it extremely hard to prove that you are different people to our staff, who will otherwise have to ban all of them except for one, and it wastes considerable amount of staff time and creates confusion as a result, as we cannot be expected to remember all instances of it, but our system keeps giving us sockpuppet warnings.
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@Agnaa @DarkGrath @DarkDragonMedeus @Mr._Bambu @AKM sama @ImmortalDread

Should we add a version of this text to our rules, and if so where?
 
Add some context, will ya?

I said I didn’t like the new chapter, I said it sucks and it’s mid. I read something in the early leaks, the chapter was different and I was disappointed. I literally just stated my opinion.

Then some folks jumped on me, saying I should stop reading the manga, I replied and then suddenly I was in the wrong because y’all can’t stand my opinion that the new chapter sucks.

I never asked any of you to reply to my opinion, of course y’all don’t need it, but gang up on me like that? Like hell I would let yall do that.
 
Giannysmag said:
What's the point of saying something in a discussion thread, if you don't expect someone to reply back? Isn't that the whole point of a discussion thread
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That’s clearly not what happened there.

Saying “Well I disagree I think the chapter was good because X and Y” is different from “Just stop reading and coming for leaks then lol”
 
I have also been on the receiving end of people overreacting and ganging up on me just because I dislike certain thematic tendencies within their favourite verses (usually if I consider them too dark, morbid, amoral, and/or ideologically sociopathic), but nevertheless please try to keep your response comments to such gangups under control the next time, M3X. We cannot have staff members be perceived as bullying our regular members.
 
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I think both sides here are being childish and oversensitive. JJK guys shouldn't react with such vitrol towards someone saying their chapters suck, especially when it's only in part and even moreso when it's coming from a frustrated peer rather than an ignorant hater.

M3X shouldn't have clapped back the way he did. It's unbecoming a regular user and staff member at once.

Both sides need to chill. Or at least reserve the shitflinging for Discord or smth.
 
Giannysmag said:
What's the point of saying something in a discussion thread, if you don't expect someone to reply back? Isn't that the whole point of a discussion thread
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There’s a difference between replying back normally and the shitflinging that was going on here. I was seeing things like “zero reading comprehension” and “just stop reading the manga” because he wasn’t praising the chapter to the high heavens.

That’s not to say M3X was in the right, I mean I think how he clapped back only made the situation worse (you can very much defend yourself, but I don’t think this was the way to go about it). I think both sides need to chill out. That’s my two cents on this
 
Antvasima said:
Sharing accounts is extremely heavily disencouraged due to that it makes it extremely hard to prove that you are different people to our staff, who will otherwise have to ban all of them except for one, and it wastes considerable amount of staff time and creates confusion as a result, as we cannot be expected to remember all instances of it, but our system keeps giving us sockpuppet warnings.

So yes, an official message to all of our members: Never EVER share your accounts with other current or potential future members for the above-mentioned reasons. Thank you.

And giving your account to banned members to take over is obviously not allowed.
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If this isn't mentioned on our site we should add it.
 
Antvasima said:
Sharing accounts is extremely heavily disencouraged due to that it makes it extremely hard to prove that you are different people to our staff, who will otherwise have to ban all of them except for one, and it wastes considerable amount of staff time and creates confusion as a result, as we cannot be expected to remember all instances of it, but our system keeps giving us sockpuppet warnings.

So yes, an official message to all of our members: Never EVER share your accounts with other current or potential future members for the above-mentioned reasons. Thank you.

And giving your account to banned members to take over is obviously not allowed.
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LordGriffin1000 said:
If this isn't mentioned on our site we should add it.
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ImmortalDread said:
I don't think it is necessary personally since Fandom ToS and policies already covered this.
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Well, this sort of issue has happened repeatedly, so we need to make our rules as easy to understand and visibly seen as possible in this regard.
 
For each of them? One of them didn't use the p-word, and the other said it outside of our community and has otherwise behaved well.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, this sort of issue has happened repeatedly, so we need to make our rules as easy to understand and visibly seen as possible in this regard.
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I am very aware but it is common knowledge of every fandom user to not share their account to anyone else.

I mean, it is internet rule after all.

My point is, people know this fact and still do it simply means they are intending to do something malicious or something else.

Otherwise, I really can't see any excuse (or reason) to share your password to someone's else unless for administrative tasks or malicious intentions.

It is a password for a reason. Hell, even company/support services/banks don't ask for passwords for technical support, so like, it can't be more obvious.
 
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