Asking some people offsite to weigh in on something shouldn't be ban worthy in my view. They might not have noticed it or something akin to that.
In the spirit of saving you from several pages of bickering, the long and short of it is, indeed they were coaching for agreements and FRAs, and went as far as to start the report in this thread against me asking for me to be punished for 'falsely accusing' them of doing this, though it's now been proven thoroughly.
It would be best if you take Bambu's approach and try to read the presented evidence though, Qawsedf234.
I honestly would need a bit of a TLDR to even begin to get started on this.
I think it would also be fair for the opposing side to make their argument, too.
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All I'm doing is just trying to be fair to both sides. I'm not derailing anything by saying that.
Not necessary when the opposing side literally made their counter argument and were the ones who initially accused @Deagonx, hence the prior page, was literally accusing him of making false accusations on the last page.
Yes, one of them can link to their main posts of arguments and evidence as well.
Mori needed a TL;DR of what's going on, so I think it's best if both sides were to summarize their arguments.
TLDR, the report was about @Transcending accusing @Deagonx about making “false accusations” of them wanting to make agreement votes behind the scenes with Discord Screenshots being provided by @Deagonx regarding them making rigged votes for agreement or something and could been considered a rule violation.
While fair, I also do think the arguments from @Deagonx is stronger than it is against him from what I seen so far in this debacle.
TL;DR: A group of users have been heavily involved in various DC CRTs that are now closed were suspected by Ant and myself of working together to get their CRTs approved. They aggressively rebuked this accusation, going as far as to come here and ask for me to be banned for making a false accusation, but I have screenshots of Discord messages indicative that they not only were they collaborating, but at various times even recruited non-VSBW users to make accounts here to say "I agree" on their CRTs. I can't speak to whether or not the collaboration itself represented something problematic (though Bambu seems to think it definitely is) but I certainly take issue with them trying to get me banned as a 'false accuser' for calling it out.
Yes.
We're not using "dishonest" practices to get in a lead in a thread, all Transcending did was ask members from discord to agree with his CRT's if they really agreed with his CRT's. The fact that he can't even do that without getting accused of somehow doing illegitimate practices is just absurd.
No idea where you got this conclusion from, but we legit just ask people to agree with this CRT if they truly agree with the CRT. Then they say "I agree." We're not here to gather votes in whatever manner you're saying we are, we are just here to get our CRT's passed.
Transcending literally made a report, Deagonx made messages responding to that report(that was related to me and Beyond Transcending). Me and Beyond Transcending's messages are related to that report, so we're not violating any rules by defending ourselves. We don't round up votes in an illegitimate manner like you're describing. Nor are we trying to "overcome your democratic process."
Because they have collectively been spamming this thread with ardent denial of all of the accusations and evidence, and it quickly became such a mess that it wasn't clear what was even going on. The denial in the face of even the most plain and obvious evidence by this group has bordered on gaslighting.
The evidence I see above greatly contradicts this.
If you were in this situation where the chances of getting banned can happen you'll "spam" this thread as well. Your "evidence" is just out of context screenshots and when the context is given to you, you ignore it and just say the "evidence" is obvious.
I don't even want you banned nor care if you are banned, I only came here because this report was related to me.
The way I read their posts, they urged people to make new accounts on VSBW and agree.
I think this is a reasonable concern and I would lean more towards a more stern punishment given the context of the situation.
The way I see it, the reason Xear was not directly implicated in the discord scans is because he was not a part of the server I was in, but based on his actions and references made to him by the others, I think it's clear he was in on it. I suspect that if I had access to the group chat he was in with the others, we would see the same manner of thing.
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I have blocked those two on the wiki proper then. How do the rest of you feel about Xearsay's case?The way I see it, the reason Xear was not directly implicated in the discord scans is because he was not a part of the server I was in, but based on his actions and references made to him by the others, I think it's clear he was in on it. I suspect that if I had access to the group chat he was in with the others, we would see the same manner of thing.
More importantly, he had every opportunity throughout this entire debacle to separate himself from the others, come clean about what had been going on, and be forthright about his role in it. Instead he participated in the dogpiling and denialism that the others engaged in on the All-purpose thread, and in this thread about trying to get me banned for bringing up that it had happened. For that reason, I personally do not believe he should be excluded. We know at the very least that he was part of the same kind of thing from these messages:
Notably, he commented extremely generic "FRA" comments immediately after similar concepts from users confirmed from the messages to have been invited to VSBW for the explicit purpose of giving FRAs on CRTs, so the timing IMO makes it very clear that he was involved in the same thing. Especially since it happens on the same day as the quote "I posted the link to the CRT in our GC with xearsay"
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Well, he did just try to get me banned for exposing this whole debacle
Beyond_transcending and Transcending are actually knowledgeable on DC even if I don't share their views.
