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Rose Quartz Possible Upgrade
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I am not that sure,maybe something akin to 'likely far higher' maybe?Antvasima said:
Since we dont really know if Rose was limited or not on that form
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@Cursed
Im not getting angry, no. Why are people on this site so timid that they think the slightest hint of 'spice', lets call it, means im about to throw a keyboard out the window. The amethyst and jasper point is that we cant scale them based on rank when its clearly obvious that one may not be as strong as the other, despite being the same
People being shocked a monarch has been assassinated doesnt immediately make that monarch stronger than everyone. They werent shocked due to the fact it was impossible for a gem to poof. Supposedly, they were more shocked by the fact it was even thought of. Thats just gems.
I mean, I thought we scaled the diamonds off of Lapis, since White light is frankly not canon from what ive heard, which I suppose makes sense, but it turns out that these diamonds may just be superior due to their hax honestly. We need actual diamond feats tbh.
The fact Pink isnt comparable, yet.
A) shes smaller, which for gems, means shes frankly defective. They wouldnt make her small on purpose. As peridot said, "You're small". Plus, dont gems just automatically get a personality due to their formation and purpose, which the chance to change. Why wouldnt they just make her not an immature brat. They barely have childhoods as explained
B) just like what we compare to the diamonds, Pink's status isnt as high or respected as the other 3. Therefore, while not defining proof, it still means she isnt at a level to the others
C) Literally featless. At least we can see why YD and BD would be superior, PD on the other hand would at best be at the level she is. And even then, its a possinly higher
How about waiting until we get more PD flashbacks and information before we immediately assume she is equal to the other two diamonds. Despite what you all think, we're clearly going to get more insight on PD's back story
Im not getting angry, no. Why are people on this site so timid that they think the slightest hint of 'spice', lets call it, means im about to throw a keyboard out the window. The amethyst and jasper point is that we cant scale them based on rank when its clearly obvious that one may not be as strong as the other, despite being the same
People being shocked a monarch has been assassinated doesnt immediately make that monarch stronger than everyone. They werent shocked due to the fact it was impossible for a gem to poof. Supposedly, they were more shocked by the fact it was even thought of. Thats just gems.
I mean, I thought we scaled the diamonds off of Lapis, since White light is frankly not canon from what ive heard, which I suppose makes sense, but it turns out that these diamonds may just be superior due to their hax honestly. We need actual diamond feats tbh.
The fact Pink isnt comparable, yet.
A) shes smaller, which for gems, means shes frankly defective. They wouldnt make her small on purpose. As peridot said, "You're small". Plus, dont gems just automatically get a personality due to their formation and purpose, which the chance to change. Why wouldnt they just make her not an immature brat. They barely have childhoods as explained
B) just like what we compare to the diamonds, Pink's status isnt as high or respected as the other 3. Therefore, while not defining proof, it still means she isnt at a level to the others
C) Literally featless. At least we can see why YD and BD would be superior, PD on the other hand would at best be at the level she is. And even then, its a possinly higher
How about waiting until we get more PD flashbacks and information before we immediately assume she is equal to the other two diamonds. Despite what you all think, we're clearly going to get more insight on PD's back story
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Me, Cal, and I think Azzy, i dont think dark is caught up on su
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A) Being defective =/= Being weaker, Peridot also literally says that Amethyst does everything a normal quartz can do, the only difference is that she is smaller than normal, and that's all, being defective is not being what you're supposed to look like (Like size, appearance, etc) or have a different kind of special ability you were supposed to (Padparadscha sees the past instead of the future), it has nothing to do with power. Pink Diamond being smaller than Yellow and Blue says nothing about her power. If you go by that Logic, then Yellow and Blue are also defective since they are smaller than White.
B) Because she is (assumed) to be younger than they are, thus they treat her like a little sister, again, Age/Size doesn't equal power.
C) Yellow and Blue are featless, they are the level they are because Diamonds are show to be much superior to any other gem by an massive margin and to the White Light, which should also apply to Pink. Their only feat is the Corruption Light which still has to be decided. And since the diamonds are always mentioned equally, there is no reason to think they aren't Comparable at least. They still are the same type of gem, just of different colors.
All other gems of the same type (Rubies for example) are assumed to be Comparable at least, there is no reason to not apply that to other gems, unless explicilty said otherwise like with Jasper.
A) Being defective =/= Being weaker, Peridot also literally says that Amethyst does everything a normal quartz can do, the only difference is that she is smaller than normal, and that's all, being defective is not being what you're supposed to look like (Like size, appearance, etc) or have a different kind of special ability you were supposed to (Padparadscha sees the past instead of the future), it has nothing to do with power. Pink Diamond being smaller than Yellow and Blue says nothing about her power. If you go by that Logic, then Yellow and Blue are also defective since they are smaller than White.
B) Because she is (assumed) to be younger than they are, thus they treat her like a little sister, again, Age/Size doesn't equal power.
C) Yellow and Blue are featless, they are the level they are because Diamonds are show to be much superior to any other gem by an massive margin and to the White Light, which should also apply to Pink. Their only feat is the Corruption Light which still has to be decided. And since the diamonds are always mentioned equally, there is no reason to think they aren't Comparable at least. They still are the same type of gem, just of different colors.
All other gems of the same type (Rubies for example) are assumed to be Comparable at least, there is no reason to not apply that to other gems, unless explicilty said otherwise like with Jasper.
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Even if we for some reason don't want to scale pink to blue and yellow she should still be far superior to white lights
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@Ant The entire reason the diamonds are high 6-A in the first place is because theyre supposed to be vastly stronger than anything else in the series, coupled with the fact that 90% of the reasoning on both yellow's and blue's profiles is centered around stuff solely concerning pink. The diamonds on their own are completely featless, with the only scaling making them high 6-A being stuff for pink.
Tsubasa's analysis of this is correct.
Tsubasa's analysis of this is correct.
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1) Yeah, I dont know about that. While its true Amethyst can do everything a quartz can, apparently, with mere evidence of her achieving a room level feat at best, gems' power still stems from how much resources they collect and their formation. Otherwise, how would Jasper be 'the perfect quartz', and so much stronger than every other quartz. It doesnt make sense that they would merely be defective if they can do everything thats expected, except look the part, which they dont much care for anyway. Being defective certainly means that they arent up to co. Or else Skinny Jasper = Regular Jasper. And its clear that White Diamons is merely a single unique gem, the other diamonds arent defective, just made specifically to be weaker, while theres no reason for Pink. But honestly, what has Pink ever shown equal or comparable to the other two other than being a Diamond? Its all based on resources, just like the situation with Era 1 and 2 peridots, where peridot is weaker than the Era 1's, as well as lacking powers due to unequal birth.
2) Well, again, personality and purpose are already apparent to gems, there shouldnt really be any adolescence within her in that case, therefore also suggesting she was defective, but id disagree tbh, do you honestly see Pink Diamond being equally powered and could fight on par with the both of them? No, because at least Yellow and Blue have shown their dominance, while Pink is hardly the same ranking as them. Smaller colony. Smaller size, Smaller Army, = Not comparable diamond
3) yeah, again with the white light, is that even a canon character? Being from a mere app game and all, and never being mentioned in the show. The furthest I would say is Lapis, cause shes actually scared shitless of them as shown. And even then, their powers so far have just been shown to be hax. And again, gems in the same ranking are only comparable to an extent, otherwise skinny jasper = Jasper. Defectives, which pink shows the traits of, shouldnt be compared to the others. And im pretty sure theyre building WD to be the strongest as well. When have they ever been mentioned to be equal btw, and colours have nothing to do with it, its resources available
Rubies are comparable since they hasnt really been a defective ruby showing, and the fact that theyre probably really simple to make. A diamond would be much harder obviously.
We dont know if diamonds are stronger than high tier fusions like Alexandrite tbh, different gem fusing is prohibited, perhaps for that reason, and we havent seen how they deal with them. Ofc Yellow could easily poof them thanks to her hax, but to be comlaed physically is meh.
And @Weekly, what do you mean theyre compared to Pink, she has no feats other than in her Rose Quartz form? Suppose anything that agrees with you is correct though
1) Yeah, I dont know about that. While its true Amethyst can do everything a quartz can, apparently, with mere evidence of her achieving a room level feat at best, gems' power still stems from how much resources they collect and their formation. Otherwise, how would Jasper be 'the perfect quartz', and so much stronger than every other quartz. It doesnt make sense that they would merely be defective if they can do everything thats expected, except look the part, which they dont much care for anyway. Being defective certainly means that they arent up to co. Or else Skinny Jasper = Regular Jasper. And its clear that White Diamons is merely a single unique gem, the other diamonds arent defective, just made specifically to be weaker, while theres no reason for Pink. But honestly, what has Pink ever shown equal or comparable to the other two other than being a Diamond? Its all based on resources, just like the situation with Era 1 and 2 peridots, where peridot is weaker than the Era 1's, as well as lacking powers due to unequal birth.
2) Well, again, personality and purpose are already apparent to gems, there shouldnt really be any adolescence within her in that case, therefore also suggesting she was defective, but id disagree tbh, do you honestly see Pink Diamond being equally powered and could fight on par with the both of them? No, because at least Yellow and Blue have shown their dominance, while Pink is hardly the same ranking as them. Smaller colony. Smaller size, Smaller Army, = Not comparable diamond
3) yeah, again with the white light, is that even a canon character? Being from a mere app game and all, and never being mentioned in the show. The furthest I would say is Lapis, cause shes actually scared shitless of them as shown. And even then, their powers so far have just been shown to be hax. And again, gems in the same ranking are only comparable to an extent, otherwise skinny jasper = Jasper. Defectives, which pink shows the traits of, shouldnt be compared to the others. And im pretty sure theyre building WD to be the strongest as well. When have they ever been mentioned to be equal btw, and colours have nothing to do with it, its resources available
Rubies are comparable since they hasnt really been a defective ruby showing, and the fact that theyre probably really simple to make. A diamond would be much harder obviously.
We dont know if diamonds are stronger than high tier fusions like Alexandrite tbh, different gem fusing is prohibited, perhaps for that reason, and we havent seen how they deal with them. Ofc Yellow could easily poof them thanks to her hax, but to be comlaed physically is meh.
And @Weekly, what do you mean theyre compared to Pink, she has no feats other than in her Rose Quartz form? Suppose anything that agrees with you is correct though
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1) "But honestly, what has Pink ever shown equal or comparable to the other two other than being a Diamond?" Expect that Yellow and Blue Diamond also haven't shown anything to say that THEY themselves are equal to each other, that's the point, Blue and Yellow are assume to be equal and have the Tier they have solely because THEY ARE DIAMONDS. And please, stop bringing Jasper up, The rule is "Every gem of the same type is assumed to be comparable unless something explicitly says otherwise" which is the case for Jasper, she is explicitly said to be superior to normal quartzes, she is a exception to the rule, not the opposite. They are Diamonds, thus all of them are at least comparable until said otherwise.
Also already pointed that Defective =/= Weaker, it was already literally show that Homeworld will consider pretty much anything as Defective, they consider fusions as Defective, for example. The only standart for a defective gem is "Not looking how you're supposed to (being smaller, skinnier, being a fusion, etc)/Not doing what your purpose tells you to do" and that is all, it has absolutely nothing about power, as Peridot already confirmed with Amethyst. So stop saying Defective = Weaker, because it's not. Also Pink is never refered as defective anyway so as of now, that is at best a headcanon.
2) Once again, size and personality doesn't equal power, the reason she had "smaller army, smaller colony" could've just be younger and thus less experienced and have less gems under her command that they did, it doesn't make her weaker in any way.
3) Yeah, the White Light is canon, they already said that the story on the games (Save The Light/Attack the Light) and comics are "secondary canon", aka "Canon information that doesn't directly appears on the TV show". Also, even if not directly equal to Yellow/Blue, Pink would still have the same Tier they have by virtue of being a Diamond as diamonds (as in the gem type) are supposed to be massively superior to any gem (Including Lapis, who is High 6-A) simple as that.
Also already pointed that Defective =/= Weaker, it was already literally show that Homeworld will consider pretty much anything as Defective, they consider fusions as Defective, for example. The only standart for a defective gem is "Not looking how you're supposed to (being smaller, skinnier, being a fusion, etc)/Not doing what your purpose tells you to do" and that is all, it has absolutely nothing about power, as Peridot already confirmed with Amethyst. So stop saying Defective = Weaker, because it's not. Also Pink is never refered as defective anyway so as of now, that is at best a headcanon.
2) Once again, size and personality doesn't equal power, the reason she had "smaller army, smaller colony" could've just be younger and thus less experienced and have less gems under her command that they did, it doesn't make her weaker in any way.
3) Yeah, the White Light is canon, they already said that the story on the games (Save The Light/Attack the Light) and comics are "secondary canon", aka "Canon information that doesn't directly appears on the TV show". Also, even if not directly equal to Yellow/Blue, Pink would still have the same Tier they have by virtue of being a Diamond as diamonds (as in the gem type) are supposed to be massively superior to any gem (Including Lapis, who is High 6-A) simple as that.
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Once again I completely agree with tsubasa
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Well of course you do Weekly, its something that amps one of your favourite verses and another person you can hide behind. Give your own points rather than acting as some 'yeah that' support.
1) No, Blue and Yellow have been implied to be equal, a lot more than Pink compared to the others. Their place on the flag, their comparable number of colonies, their same size, their comparable armies and power. Yellow and Blue in subtext are clearly equal, while Pink is lackluster to the both of em. We really cant compare when the show is clearly building up a hierarchy amongst the diamonds aswell. White is cleaely going to be the strongest, judged by her size and status, Yellow and Blue equal, and Pink, the new one and smaller, which means defective, as Peridot stated in the statement you use, most likely being weaker. Pink may be comparable, but its clearly implied shes different to the other diamonds, and therefore we shouldnt jump the gun on saying her power.
And thats not the point. How on earth would there be a Jasper if all gems were made and created equally. Simple, because the resources and amount of time spemt for their fpr ation affects their power directly. A gem isnt completely useless due to its size, ifits still just as effective a warrior. I have no problem with with comparing quartzes except Jasper, but again, Jasper was the perfect quartz how? Because her resources and formation was SUPERIOR to the others, which were defective. Amethysts were meant to all be Jasper, and saying amethyst is comparable to a normal quartz, means youre also comparing her to Jasper, who was used as a base for the kindergarten prime. Peridot only got a glimpse of a room-building level feat, she cant determine whether shes comparable to the mountain level at least Quartzes. Amethyst was depressed BECAUSE she wasnt as powerful as she was supposed tp be, that was her whole arc. Defective gema are those that are weaker in their purpose, fusion skanks, or merely just deformed to the point its unusable, like Rutile.
2) as ive shown, gems that get less resources, shown by multiple factors including shorter height, are usually defective, and therefore weaker. Seriously, there wouldn't be defective gems if they ACHIEVED AT THE SAME LEVEL as they were expected. Pink of course lacks experiemce, but the show has obviously given the possibility that Pink ISNT as strong as her sisters, and to say that shes comparable when we only just saw her, based solely on the fact theyre the same type of gems, which can still have power differences between them, is jumping the gun WAY too far. Honestly, what is the problem with merely waiting for her tp show more concrete probability.
3) Yeah, secondary canon isnt always a sure way to say they tie in with original series. The white light hasnt made an appearence in the show, nor has anyone stated its weaker than diamonds. Diamonds have just shown hax as superiority, and therefore their physical ability cant really be judged, though I dont doubt they're stronger. Its sketchy honestly to try and tie in a game exclusive character into comparisons on the actual characters. All they really need is a mention to the events, but when a non planned, secondary canon thing is used to scale a large portion of the characters, then it really is controversial. Perhaps not to Weekly, but consideration of the debating society as a whole, ive seen SU be a quite controversial verse. This only ties in with that, but this is something for a content revision thread.
Diamonds have only shown hax to be their superiority, Yellow can literally destabilise light. Meanwhile Lapis over here casually lifts the whole planets ocean while weakened, and moves at MFTL+ even when gems cant apparently go past LS. Just saying, no doubt the diamonds are strong physically, but their superiority seems to be based solely on their verse based hax. Therefore, its hard to make the statement now that diamonds can be compared to Lapis' power that can terraform planets, when that fear could just be the bigger army, the vast array of superior tech and the hax they provide, rather than their AP. Alexandrite as a whole wasnt fighting Malachite using ALL of Lapis' true power, especially when Jasper was in control, so its sketchy to compare them to that and so forth. Just saying, diamonds might not be so massively strong they withstand High 6-A with a pinky. Possibly gonna make a CRT, but knowing the SU part of this wiki, it wont go anywhere. But for now, saying PD is stronger than Lapis is just, frankly, unbelievable. Its never been shown or implied in a sense that Pink Diamond is equally as feared or scary.
1) No, Blue and Yellow have been implied to be equal, a lot more than Pink compared to the others. Their place on the flag, their comparable number of colonies, their same size, their comparable armies and power. Yellow and Blue in subtext are clearly equal, while Pink is lackluster to the both of em. We really cant compare when the show is clearly building up a hierarchy amongst the diamonds aswell. White is cleaely going to be the strongest, judged by her size and status, Yellow and Blue equal, and Pink, the new one and smaller, which means defective, as Peridot stated in the statement you use, most likely being weaker. Pink may be comparable, but its clearly implied shes different to the other diamonds, and therefore we shouldnt jump the gun on saying her power.
And thats not the point. How on earth would there be a Jasper if all gems were made and created equally. Simple, because the resources and amount of time spemt for their fpr ation affects their power directly. A gem isnt completely useless due to its size, ifits still just as effective a warrior. I have no problem with with comparing quartzes except Jasper, but again, Jasper was the perfect quartz how? Because her resources and formation was SUPERIOR to the others, which were defective. Amethysts were meant to all be Jasper, and saying amethyst is comparable to a normal quartz, means youre also comparing her to Jasper, who was used as a base for the kindergarten prime. Peridot only got a glimpse of a room-building level feat, she cant determine whether shes comparable to the mountain level at least Quartzes. Amethyst was depressed BECAUSE she wasnt as powerful as she was supposed tp be, that was her whole arc. Defective gema are those that are weaker in their purpose, fusion skanks, or merely just deformed to the point its unusable, like Rutile.
2) as ive shown, gems that get less resources, shown by multiple factors including shorter height, are usually defective, and therefore weaker. Seriously, there wouldn't be defective gems if they ACHIEVED AT THE SAME LEVEL as they were expected. Pink of course lacks experiemce, but the show has obviously given the possibility that Pink ISNT as strong as her sisters, and to say that shes comparable when we only just saw her, based solely on the fact theyre the same type of gems, which can still have power differences between them, is jumping the gun WAY too far. Honestly, what is the problem with merely waiting for her tp show more concrete probability.
3) Yeah, secondary canon isnt always a sure way to say they tie in with original series. The white light hasnt made an appearence in the show, nor has anyone stated its weaker than diamonds. Diamonds have just shown hax as superiority, and therefore their physical ability cant really be judged, though I dont doubt they're stronger. Its sketchy honestly to try and tie in a game exclusive character into comparisons on the actual characters. All they really need is a mention to the events, but when a non planned, secondary canon thing is used to scale a large portion of the characters, then it really is controversial. Perhaps not to Weekly, but consideration of the debating society as a whole, ive seen SU be a quite controversial verse. This only ties in with that, but this is something for a content revision thread.
Diamonds have only shown hax to be their superiority, Yellow can literally destabilise light. Meanwhile Lapis over here casually lifts the whole planets ocean while weakened, and moves at MFTL+ even when gems cant apparently go past LS. Just saying, no doubt the diamonds are strong physically, but their superiority seems to be based solely on their verse based hax. Therefore, its hard to make the statement now that diamonds can be compared to Lapis' power that can terraform planets, when that fear could just be the bigger army, the vast array of superior tech and the hax they provide, rather than their AP. Alexandrite as a whole wasnt fighting Malachite using ALL of Lapis' true power, especially when Jasper was in control, so its sketchy to compare them to that and so forth. Just saying, diamonds might not be so massively strong they withstand High 6-A with a pinky. Possibly gonna make a CRT, but knowing the SU part of this wiki, it wont go anywhere. But for now, saying PD is stronger than Lapis is just, frankly, unbelievable. Its never been shown or implied in a sense that Pink Diamond is equally as feared or scary.
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I think Jinx makes good sense here. This is prolly' not enough for an upgrade.
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@Ant Dont bother, her attitude towards me has been like this for months, shes not going to change it any time soon
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I agree with Kep and Jinx.
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Chill on weekly, although you have a point regardless.
Chill on weekly, although you have a point regardless.
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I'd just like to point out that Jinx's logic downgrades all of the diamonds as pink was the only thing that made them high 6-A otherwise they are all featless unless kep wants to recalculate the light attack
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Should probably bring up Pink's High 4-C pocket reality creation feat
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The pocket reality Pink created inside lion's mane has a sun in the sky
http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Lion%27s_dimension
Rebecca Sugar, the creator of he show, also stated that she modeled it directly off of Majora's pocket dimension
http://steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Lion%27s_dimension
Rebecca Sugar, the creator of he show, also stated that she modeled it directly off of Majora's pocket dimension
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https://io9.gizmodo.com/steven-universe-guidebook-spills-the-secrets-of-the-cry-1704470546
She states that Zelda, among other games, has had a major impact on the music and worldbuilding of SU
She states that Zelda, among other games, has had a major impact on the music and worldbuilding of SU
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No Jinx is indeed basically saying never upgrade Pink Diamond. Her argument is based off of the notion that Pink is somehow defective when this is never once stated or even implied, and because of this that somehow means she's exponentially weaker than Blue and Yellow who by her own logic would be defective to White Diamond as they are smaller than her when being defective to a gem doesnt necessarily mean theyre weaker. Being defective quite literallly means youre different, even slightly so, either mentally or visibly. Gems like Padparasha who is considered defective because she's a different color and her precognition works differently, Skinny is considered defective because she is less visibly bulky than other Jaspers, the other Amethysts from Earth are considered defective despite being physically what they should be as Quartz soldiers just because they tend to act silly, Pearl is considered defective because she refuses to acknowledge her role as a servant, Bismuth is considered defective because she makes weapons instead of architecture, hell Garnet, Rhodonite, and Fluorite are all considered defective solely because theyre fusions of two (in Fluorite's case six) different kinds of Gems. Being defective almost never means that a Gem is weaker than theyre supposed to be, it just means that they either do not or refuse to acknowledge to follow the role that they are meant to play as the gem they are. Does Pink technically fit this description? Technically yes, but does this mean that she is millions of times weaker than the other two Diamonds because of it? No, not by any stretch of the imagination.
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Okay. Noted. I suppose that we could let the diamond statistics stay then, but we still need to figure out if they should be Rose's/Pink's only statistics, and if we should upgrade Rainbow Quartz as well.
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