Restored Final Dragon Ball GT/Non-Canon Revision

[Peter1129]

Fusion dance was also stated to make a character many times stronger than their fusees in the original manga.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Gogeta shouldn't have done as well as he did if his base was merely > SSJ1 Goku and Vegeta combined. If that was the case Gogeta would only be slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku, which would result in him getting stomped on.

Then we have Movie Gogeta (Same fusion) doing better against Broly than SSB Goku + Vegeta combined [They left because there is nothing they can do against them, and was so tired they reverted to base form immediately] . Before you say "different canons", it's the same fusion technique. .

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Fusion dance was also stated to make a character many times stronger than their fusees in the original manga.

If that's the case, then why did Gogeta had to go Super Saiyan to match a regular Super Saiyan Broly that both Perfected Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Perfected Super Saiyan Vegeta defeated in the manga?

 

[Peter1129]

Why are you bringing up Dragon Ball Super in a Non Canon Dragon Ball thread? Also Gogeta never appeared in the Super Manga. He appeared in the movie which seems to be following the anime canon. You're trying to mix the two canons for no reason.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Why are you bringing up Dragon Ball Super in a Non Canon Dragon Ball thread?

To prove my point, and guess what? Base Vegito is easily was shown to be above both Perfected Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Perfected Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta, something which Gogeta was incapable of until he went Super Saiyan.

 

[Peter1129]

You're mixing up two different versions of Super. Whatever happened in the anime movie didn't happen in the manga since they are two different canons.

 

[Peter1129]

Also like I said before you are derailing the thread.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

You're mixing up two different versions of Super. Whatever happened in the anime movie didn't happen in the manga since they are two different canons.

Anime movie??? There is no such thing as anime movie. It's either anime, movie, or manga.

 

[Peter1129]

The movie which is a sequel to the anime. So for short anime movie.

But seriously just drop the DBS stuff you are just derailing the thread right when it was about to be finished.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Gogeta shouldn't have done as well as he did if his base was merely > SSJ1 Goku and Vegeta combined. If that was the case Gogeta would only be slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku, which would result in him getting stomped on.
Then we have Movie Gogeta (Same fusion) doing better against Broly than SSB Goku + Vegeta combined [They left because there is nothing they can do against them, and was so tired they reverted to base form immediately] . Before you say "different canons", it's the same fusion technique. .

Explain to me how is a Base + Base fusion dance multiplier is supposed to bring you above an SSJ3 multiplier? It's not the same thing as Base x Base with potara fusion multiplier.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@John Besides Statements from a retconned article, when was this ever stated in the series ?

 

[Warren_Valion]

Explain to me how is a Base + Base multiplier supposed to bring you above SSJ3 multiplier? It's not the same as Base x Base with Potara fusion multiplier.

Where are you getting these fusion multipliers?

 

[Elizhaa]

You're mixing up two different versions of Super. Whatever happened in the anime movie didn't happen in the manga since they are two different canons.

Anime movie??? There is no such thing as anime movie.

Yes, they are. There are two a different cannon for DBZ, JohnCenaNation. There are the Toei anime cannon and the manga cannon which have their own profile for DBZ as exemplify by these profiles: Son Goku (Dragon Ball Z) and Son Goku (Toei).

 

[JohnCenaNation]

@John Besides Statements from a retconned article, when was this ever stated in the series ?

Duh! Potara = A x B; whereas Fusion = A + B.

 

[Peter1129]

Fusion dance isn't base + base. It's Full Power Fusee 1 + Full Power Fusee 2 multiplied. Potara is the same it was never stated to be Fusee A x Fusee B. It was only stated to be a better version of Fusion dance probably due or time limit and faster fusion.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Fusion dance isn't base + base. It's Full Power Fusee 1 + Full Power Fusee 2 multiplied. Potara is the same it was never stated to be Base x Base. It was only stated to be a better version of Fusion dance.

 

[Peter1129]

We don't use Kanzenshuu multipliers.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

We don't use Kanzenshuu multipliers.

And it was stated in the anime as well, both DBZ and DBS.

 

[Zenkaibattery1]

Unfortunately the staff decided not to use kanzenshuu for a lot of things

 

[SomebodyData]

No it wasn't.

 

[Peter1129]

It wasn't stated in the anime. Also in the DBS anime Vados said it's

Fusee A + Fusee B times tens of times which is (A + B) x 20-100 not A x B

 

[Elizhaa]

@John Besides Statements from a retconned article, when was this ever stated in the series ?

Duh! Potara = A x B; whereas Fusion = A + B.

That would be head cannon about Fusion. Fusion wouldn't be A+B because both Goku and Vegeta were getting stomped by Super Janemba. We do know they are unquantifiable stronger

 

[JohnCenaNation]

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@John Besides Statements from a retconned article, when was this ever stated in the series ?

Duh! Potara = A x B; whereas Fusion = A + B.

That would be head cannon about Fusion. Fusion wouldn't be A+B because both Goku and Vegeta were getting stomped by Super Janemba. We do know they are unquantifiable stronger

Buuhan stated Super Saiyan Gogeta wouldn't be able to beat him, and base Vegito easily proved to be superior.

 

[Peter1129]

That was literally just Buuhan overestimating himself. Also nothing there indicated that Potara is A x B. At most you could say Potara has a higher multiplier than Fusion Dance after you add the fusees together.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Base Vegito never fought Buu in the manga, he immediately went Super Saiyan.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

That was literally just Buuhan overestimating himself. Also nothing there indicated that Potara is A x B. At most you could say Potara has a higher multiplier than Fusion Dance after you add the fusees together.

Just like how Cell was "overestimating" himself when he stated he could blow up the Solar System?

 

[Kepekley23]

Base Vegito never fought Buu in the manga, he immediately went Super Saiyan.

This.

 

[Kepekley23]

We don't use Kanzenshuu multipliers.

You do realize Kanzenshuu is a website?

SeG multipliers would be more appropriate.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Base Vegito never fought Buu in the manga, he immediately went Super Saiyan.

And Super Saiyan Vegito was toying with him which indicates Base Vegito > Super Saiyan Gogeta.

 

[Kepekley23]

And Super Saiyan Vegito was toying with him which indicates Base Vegito > Super Saiyan Gogeta.

Super Saiyan Vegito was toying, but he was using his full power in order to make Buu absorb him. He was merely refraining from using ki attacks.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

And Super Saiyan Vegito was toying with him which indicates Base Vegito > Super Saiyan Gogeta.

Super Saiyan Vegito was toying, but he was using his full power in order to make Buu absorb him. He was merely refraining from using ki attacks.
No he wasn't, he was fooling around the entire time.

 

[HST_Master]

And Super Saiyan Vegito was toying with him which indicates Base Vegito > Super Saiyan Gogeta.

Nothing confirms this. At all. You're trying to go off of Buuhan's arrogance when arrogance is a constant thing in DB villains

>Vegeta stating he's the strongest in the universe even though he knows several others who match and stomp him.

>Burter saying he's the fastest even though Frieza, Cold, and Ginyu are all stronger than him.

And b4 "Buu knows Fusion" he knows as much as Piccolo and Gotenks knows, which is what Goku told them. It's him being arrogant. And b4 "But Cell" Cell is backed up by Guides. Buu is not.

 

[Kepekley23]

I agree that Boo is stronger than Gogeta, but what does that even have to do with this thread?

 

[JohnCenaNation]

And Super Saiyan Vegito was toying with him which indicates Base Vegito > Super Saiyan Gogeta.

Nothing confirms this. At all. You're trying to go off of Buuhan's arrogance when arrogance is a constant thing in DB villains>Vegeta stating he's the strongest in the universe even though he knows several others who match and stomp him.
>Burter saying he's the fastest even though Frieza, Cold, and Ginyu are all stronger than him.

And b4 "Buu knows Fusion" he knows as much as Piccolo and Gotenks knows, which is what Goku told them. It's him being arrogant. And b4 "But Cell" Cell is backed up by Guides. Buu is not.

Super Buu fought against Gotenks, he knows how powerful the Fusion Dance multiplier is.

Innocent Buu fought against SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, he knows how powerful they are.

To say Buuhan was arrogant and doesn't know how powerful the fusion dance between Goku and Vegeta is would be considered a headcanon, considering the fact he has the combined intelligent of Kamiccolo, Gohan, Goten, and Trunks.

 

[HST_Master]

@JCN

>He fought against Gotenks

Your point? He's not getting the Multiplier of Fusion from that nor would he be doing the math while fighting Gotenks or getting his teeth kicked in by Gohan at best he was able to figure out Him + Gotenks was greater than or Equal to Gohan.

>Innocent Buu fought SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta

The same Buu that could barely remember Vegeta as the "Guy who blew himself up"? Occams Razor, go with the solution with the least assumptions.

 

[JohnCenaNation]

@JCN
>He fought against Gotenks

Your point? He's not getting the Multiplier of Fusion from that nor would he be doing the math while fighting Gotenks or getting his teeth kicked in by Gohan at best he was able to figure out Him + Gotenks was greater than or Equal to Gohan.

>Innocent Buu fought SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta

The same Buu that could barely remember Vegeta as the "Guy who blew himself up"? Occams Razor, go with the solution with the least assumptions.

Um, why are you suddenly talking that like Beyonder guy from that wiki who was talking about the difference between feats and statements?

https://fictional-battle-omniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Feats

https://fictional-battle-omniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Statements

 

[SomebodyData]

That's the least subtle red herring (or attempt to smear the argument?) I've heard in a while.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Was the purpose of this thread completed?

Because it should probably be closed.

 

[HST_Master]

@JCN

The purpose of trying to call me beyondergod is what exactly?

 

[Peter1129]

It was originally almost done. There was only the straight up 3-A Omega Shenron and Post-2nd Training Hero, at least 3-B for some Shadow Dragon Saga characters and the non canon speed left.