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Black smoke doesnt even rival base sd arc goku in power let alone supressed omega, we know this because goku wasnt worried about fighting black smoke even after feeling his ki which gohan stated was unbelievably strong for a villain, goku later states that base novas ki is above all the other shadow dragons ki he felt yet he had no issue in wanting to fight himKepekley23 said:Multiple translators have stated that the plural is accurate. Black Smoke Shenron is at the very least 3-B even disregarding the arguments in this thread, and he rivals a casual Omega Shenron.
My apologiesKepekley23 said:You should contribute to deleting the derail, not to it. That just removes the attention from what is actually debatable.
If you have this statement you can post it here.FallenProfit said:Also black smoke shenron was officially stated by toei to have the power to destroy the entire universe which includes the afterlife, kaioshin realm, etc which correlates to the scaling in gt
Black smoke is not the combination of all the shadow dragons, thats a common misconception, he simply unleashed the shadow dragons onto earth and then flew back to his own realmKepekley23 said:@Dark649
He's talking about this statement:
http://web.archive.org/web/19980119044438/http://toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragonball/48.html
Which translates to:
"At last, Goku and his friends defeated Dr. Myuus ambitions. In order to resurrect Krillin and restore the ruined Earth, Goku and his friends gathered the dragon balls, but they had cracks in them. Nervous, Goku called Shenlong. But an Evil Dragon appeared instead, ready to do evil deeds. The evil Dragon stole the seven dragon balls and spread them all over the world! The evil Dragon seems to have been born because Goku and his friends have used the dragon balls too much. If they leave him alone, he would destroy not only the Earth but also the whole universe. What is the evil dragons power that can destroy the universe? And can Goku beat this mysterious power? Now a fierce battle over the destiny of the whole universe has begun." "
The context is likely the same as Omega's, which, since Black Smoke Shenron is the combination of all the Evil Dragons' negative energy much like Omega is, makes sense if this CRT ends up getting approved.
It is made to kill evil beings. That doesn't mean it can't kill those who aren't evil (the fact that Goku temporarily refused to fire the Super Spirit Bomb because Vegeta would be caught in the explosion demonstrates that) or that it deals more damage for those who are evil (Freeza and Saiyan Saga Vegeta both surviving the Spirit Bomb shows that).Matthew Schroeder said:The Spirit Bomb Goku used on Omega =/= The one he used on Buu.
Also the power of the Spirit Bomb works on evil beings.