Removing Frisk's Resistance to Absorption + A minor Asgore fix

[StrymULTRA]

Tell me when you remove the resistance

Done already lmao.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

What about the Asgore thing?

Just saw that part. WoG pretty straightforward regarding it being non canon.

 

[ShionAH]

Done already lmao.

I requested it. Lep you can close this (after the asgore thing)

 

[StrymULTRA]

it shouldn't be imo, but if it's open, then even better

Frisk profile 100% should be closed, it's kinda controversial, with people sometimes saying that they scale from Chara and other nonsense kinda often.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I requested it. Lep you can close this (after the asgore thing)

Not yet. Gotta wait 48 hours for the Asgore part. Being a self-evident thing, one staff should be enough.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Not yet. Gotta wait 48 hours for the Asgore part. Being a self-evident thing, one staff should be enough.

Already did though.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Already did though.

you know the rules, bucko, gotta follow em

 

[ShionAH]

48 hrs is insane

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

48 hrs is insane

I hate it too

 

[ShionAH]

Since this is concluded heres another undertale CRT

 

[Crabwhale]

Only crab agreed with it.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

damn straight, bucko, look what you caused

 

[Crabwhale]

To be fair, this is what happens when you rely on staff that aren't knowledgeable, even if I do like Undertale.

One out of however many arguments I made on that thread being shoddy is pretty good, me thinks.

 

[ShionAH]

Crab is never gonna respond to my CRTs after this and the fnaf incident

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

To be fair, this is what happens when you rely on staff that aren't knowledgeable, even if I do like Undertale.

One out of however many arguments I made on that thread being shoddy is pretty good, me thinks.

Nah, no worries. Thread also dealt with a bunch of bs and got convoluted pretty fast.

 

[Crabwhale]

Crab is never gonna respond to my CRTs after this and the fnaf incident

Keep racking up those shit list points buddy, I dare ya.

Anyway, will respond to what's presented here in a bit-ish.

 

[Tural2004]

Literally all of these are points I responded to in the original thread. So just assume that I repeat it. And since the resistance is already removed I will continue the argument there if you have something new to add.

 

[Tural2004]

Besides, there are even parts that is outright wrong and is accepted the otherwise by the wiki such as this one:

Plus is a massive reaching to say that, he only wanted to beat up Frisk over and over until they surrender and their control of the timeline gets to Asriel as he would be the one with higher DT if he won. Not such complicated shit, he already had the power to TRUE RESET after all.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Besides, there are even parts that is outright wrong and is accepted the otherwise by the wiki such as this one:

How does the wiki even contradict this?

 

[Tural2004]

How does the wiki even contradict this?

It is one of the listed weaknesses of determination:

"Someone with equal and higher amounts of Determination (as it exists in Undertale) will result in their ability to SAVE and LOAD being disabled."

This "equal" part comes from Asriel fight. It is also directly stated in Frisk's AP section:

"their Determination was stopping Asriel from doing a TRUE RESET, thus forcing Asriel to defeat Frisk to gain control over the timeline"

Btw let's continue this around 6 hours later. I have to go to university.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It is one of the listed weaknesses of determination:

"Someone with equal and higher amounts of Determination (as it exists in Undertale) will result in their ability to SAVE and LOAD being disabled."

This "equal" part comes from Asriel fight. It is also directly stated in Frisk's AP section:

"their Determination was stopping Asriel from doing a TRUE RESET, thus forcing Asriel to defeat Frisk to gain control over the timeline"

Btw let's continue this around 6 hours later. I have to go to university.

This doesn't mean that Frisk magically can resist absorption, when said absorption is a weak hax which needs to satisfy certain conditions.

 

[Crabwhale]

Original Thread here. Making this as the Staff didn't remotely read my arguments, so I'll make this CRT so they'll be forced to read them this time.

Stop obliterating my attention span with giant text walls and I might.

The thing is that Frisk has now resistance to Soul Absorption due to them apparentely not being affected from Photoshop Flowey trying to absorb their SOUL with the "light" (link on the profile is broken so here's the fixed one), which seems pretty clear on-paper... if you do not look at the context.

The thing has several problems:

• Flowey has planned in advance to take just the 6 Human SOULs and the Monsterkind ones to achieve his true form, he never has involved Frisk in this.
• Flowey said he planned to use the power of 7 SOULs to play with Frisk forever.
• He implied that he could take Frisk's SOUL if he wanted to when he was Photoshop Flowey.
• The light he used to absorb the SOULs can be manipulated, as it literally was used to knock a door. That wouldn't have happened if it was automatic.
• A human explicitly needs to be defeated in order to take their SOUL, so of course Frisk was not affected from this.
• And most importantly, Asriel never said anything about "Chara" resisting his supposed soul succ.

Basically the SOUL absorption resistance is bad and it must go.

The arguments against this were made in the thread I linked, and are pretty poor in themselves. Let's see them all:

• "Asriel planned to take Frisk's SOUL and then release it when his plan was achieved."

Asriel has never said he wanted Frisk's SOUL. He wanted only the power of 7 Human SOULs, and he got it thanks to 6 SOULs and all the monster's ones, which all together equate to the lacking 7th SOUL. He planned to take Frisk's SOUL only in the Photoshop Flowey fight when their soul was the 7th aviable at the moment, but in the Pacifist he never needed it, he had all means to make Frisk surrender, aka the godly power he'd get with the power of 7 SOULs.

Plus is a massive reaching to say that, he only wanted to beat up Frisk over and over until they surrender and their control of the timeline gets to Asriel as he would be the one with higher DT if he won. Not such complicated shit, he already had the power to TRUE RESET after all.

• "He could absorb the monsters without defeating them, meaning he'd be able to absorb Frisk's SOUL in a similar manner."

Monsters' SOULs are not like Human ones. They are physically linked to their bodies, and thus both body and SOUL disappears when they die, unlike the human ones which still exist after their death. And to extract a Monster's SOUL, you explicitly need an immense amount of power (which, guess what, it happened with Photoshop Flowey, given he has 6 SOULs). You can make an argument with him being able to extract Frisk's SOUL as well, and that would be correct, but he just didn't want to for the aforementioned reasons, given he did not need Frisk's SOUL at all for his plans, as he already was able to as Photoshop Flowey, yet he never did.

Fair enough.

Bonus: Asgore has this on his profile:

Official promotional material suggests that Asgore killing Frisk is one possible outcome

That's not canon, so yeet that from his AP justification, thank you.

Pretty sure Toby's joking there.

There, that's my response.

 

[ShionAH]

Pretty sure Toby's joking there.

I think wiki accepts it as serious its the reason we couldn't make an gaster profile

 

[StrymULTRA]

Pretty sure Toby's joking there.

Uhm, no? There's nothing saying the merch is canon here.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Soul absorption shouldn't have been applied in the first place. Only crab agreed with it. I agreed with Roach and stayed neutral.

You can close this now. Applied again the Asgore thing.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Closing